Daunte Wright Shooting

[Pstmstr]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

So what’s the answer? Stop white people only? Let blacks refuse to cooperate with police? Give them what they want so they don’t burn a city down? Floyd was a thug who fought the police and he died. This latest fool was a thug who fought the police and died. Seems to me the moral of the story is don’t fight the police. Thugs of all races should obey the police when stopped and if not they should be dealt with using necessary force. Too many people think they don’t have to. That’s BS.


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[Pstmstr]

It amazes me that they charged the cop for shooting this little gangbanger who was resisting arrest, but the cop who shot the woman at the capital was cleared.

He deserved to get shot and so did she.


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[TedKennedy]

Nobody said "cops" are right, in this instance she was wrong. I hope you never need a "cop"

I have "needed" cops on a couple of occasions. They documented a traffic incident after the fact, and the report was very helpful. Last year my home alarm went off and when I arrived, two of SPD's finest were standing in my yard. My front door was open, and my dogs were inside. The senior officer said, "i really doubt anyone's in there". I laughed and said "nope, probably not. I appreciate y'all showing up".

Not sure I "needed" the cops that day, but they were doing their job, I was doing mine, and my dogs didn't get shot. Happy ending. What if I hadn't had a cop that day? Same outcome.

We need cops to investigate actual crimes. That's kinda the point of having cops. Possessing an inanimate object is an arbitrary rule, a victimless crime. Wanting to be left alone is not a crime. Too many, way too many cops get the "respect muh authoritah or else" attitude, and any interaction has the possibility of turning sour.

Too many thugs are walking the streets and being let out for actual crimes, and cops are being prevented from keeping them out of society. Why a decent cop would choose to patrol in some areas is beyond me.

Perhaps if we ended QI, quit locking people up for arbitrary crimes and focused on actual crimes with victims, we'd have more room in prisons for real bad guys, fewer young folks with limited job opportunities from catching a felony on possession, respect for the LEOs that act as a safeguard against violence in neighborhoods?

When an officer rapes, assaults, kills someone, intimidates a witness, and the Thin Blue Line closes ranks, that's not helping anything except a culture of lawlessness. RICO act should be invoked for some of this crap...

 

[finishnailer]

He deserved to get shot and so did she.


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I want to get this straight, you think Ashley Babbitt “deserved” to get shot?

 

[trekrok]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

I don't doubt there is plenty of fear out there. The BLM and media is saying cops are hunting black people all day every day, so why wouldn't there be. Like I and others have said repeatedly, if BLM and media actually cared about black lives, they would be beating the 'comply' drum instead of fear-mongering for profit.

 

[Pstmstr]

I want to get this straight, you think Ashley Babbitt “deserved” to get shot?

Sure do. She was illegally inside the Capitol and was attempting to crawl thru a hole into an area where members of Congress were being protected. You can read a big long thread about it that was posted at the time. Got pretty heated so I stopped posting about it and won’t rehash it here.


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[rlongnt]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes..

 

[magna19]

I'm going to say this, and I know I'm going to get shouted down. Not that I'm an expert, but I do listen and try to see things from different perspectives.

Many black people genuinely feel that if they get stopped they are going to end up getting arrested or killed. They often don't trust the police to treat them fairly so their reaction is fight or flight. Telling them 'just cooperate' would be like if I said if someone tries to hijack your car, just cooperate and it'll be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but if you get a chance to get away from it, that's probably what you'll do because it's a dangerous situation. That's how they feel about interactions with the police.

So we see this and say, well... if they didn't have warrants and would cooperate, they'd be fine. They see it and say, it was just an expired tag or air freshener on his rear view mirror or whatever, and if he wasn't black he never would have been pulled over to begin with. So they'll see that as an excuse to pull him over and see what he was up to, and he ended up dead.

If you watched the video of the Army Lieutenant who got pepper sprayed, you might have gotten a sense of this. He didn't want to get out of his car and said he was afraid, but he wasn't just some hood rat with warrants. But he looked afraid, and he got pepper sprayed and thrown on the ground. Many black people will see this as typical interaction with the police, regardless of the circumstances.

I know the tendency will be to focus on this one incident and justify it. It's not about this one guy. It's not about George Floyd. It's about ALL of these incidents that have happened over several years, most of which look justifiable, but a few of which have some problems. They see them as another black person gets killed by the police or some white person, who isn't held accountable.

There is a very, very deep division right now between races, a lot of it has to do with so many of these incidents. Somebody will say it's just how it's reported in the news, but it doesn't matter. It is still their perception. I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think it's going to get any better because no one really listens to the other perspective.

I am certainly not saying the police are always wrong, I'm just saying there is another side to this issue. To them, it's not as simple as saying 'just cooperate'.

********!!!!!!!!! You've been trained well. Interacting with a police officer and interacting with a criminal hijaking your car comparison is the craziest comparison Ive ever heard. Most if not all of those many black people your talking about have had interactions with the law and had NO problems before. Blacks should be going back to those talks at home and saying Momma its not like you said at all instaed of Momma saying oh yes it is you just aint had the right cop.

 

[Retired]

Sure do. She was illegally inside the Capitol and was attempting to crawl thru a hole into an area where members of Congress were being protected. You can read a big long thread about it that was posted at the time. Got pretty heated so I stopped posting about it and won’t rehash it here.


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So if I pull you over will it be okay to go ahead and put one between your eyes?

 

[RickN]

He deserved to get shot and so did she.


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The point is, he was resisting arrest and an accident, yet the cop was charged because he was black. Her being white and a conservative means the cop was not charged.