Whataburger takes stand against Texas' new open carry law

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When it comes to open carry, many of you feel it is fine to limit it because you do not agree with open carry laws. I do not see any difference in limiting open carry and a liberal wanting to limit firearm ownership because they do not agree with owning firearms.
However, if it makes you feel good to believe limiting Rights is fine, provided it makes you happy, then I agree with you.
I will agree that a business owner should be able to refuse service. But, if a business can be forced to participate in a gay marriage because of the 14th Amendment, then people should be able to open carry because of the Second Amendment



Whoa there pardner, you think just because some of us feel it's OK for a business to say "you can carry here, but please be discreet about it", we agree with liberals on limiting rights?

Hyperbole much? :(
 

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When it comes to open carry, many of you feel it is fine to limit it because you do not agree with open carry laws. I do not see any difference in limiting open carry and a liberal wanting to limit firearm ownership because they do not agree with owning firearms.
However, if it makes you feel good to believe limiting Rights is fine, provided it makes you happy, then I agree with you.
I will agree that a business owner should be able to refuse service. But, if a business can be forced to participate in a gay marriage because of the 14th Amendment, then people should be able to open carry because of the Second Amendment

So two wrongs make a right huh? As for the bolded part, I can't help you and I doubt anyone else can either. FWIW, I stumped for OC, but don't let facts get in the way of a good rant! :rolleyes2
 

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When it comes to open carry, many of you feel it is fine to limit it because you do not agree with open carry laws. I do not see any difference in limiting open carry and a liberal wanting to limit firearm ownership because they do not agree with owning firearms.
However, if it makes you feel good to believe limiting Rights is fine, provided it makes you happy, then I agree with you.
I will agree that a business owner should be able to refuse service. But, if a business can be forced to participate in a gay marriage because of the 14th Amendment, then people should be able to open carry because of the Second Amendment

Gimmie my hammer back you nailed it .
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Whoa there pardner, you think just because some of us feel it's OK for a business to say "you can carry here, but please be discreet about it", we agree with liberals on limiting rights?

Hyperbole much? :(

Some people just have to be starchy collared and not willing to adjust any at all for other people these days, its either all the way or nothing with them. 'Us' vs 'Them'. Whatever...
 

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When it comes to open carry, many of you feel it is fine to limit it because you do not agree with open carry laws. I do not see any difference in limiting open carry and a liberal wanting to limit firearm ownership because they do not agree with owning firearms.
The only "rights" involved are those of a property owner to say what is and is not allowed on his/her/its property. You have no "right" to carry on someone else's private property, any more than they have a "right" to come start cooking and selling burgers in your yard.

If you want to express your displeasure at a business owner for not allowing you permission to do something on his property, by all means, do so, but this has nothing to do with 2A rights.
 

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The only "rights" involved are those of a property owner to say what is and is not allowed on his/her/its property. You have no "right" to carry on someone else's private property, any more than they have a "right" to come start cooking and selling burgers in your yard.

If you want to express your displeasure at a business owner for not allowing you permission to do something on his property, by all means, do so, but this has nothing to do with 2A rights.

Amen and amen. Property ownership rights trump things "others" want to Force them to do so they can have their way on "someone else s property." This is a no brainer. Don't come on my property and try to Force me to accept you on YOUR terms. Oh by the way I am a CC guy that loves the 2nd amendment.
 

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Amen and amen. Property ownership rights trump things "others" want to Force them to do so they can have their way on "someone else s property." This is a no brainer. Don't come on my property and try to Force me to accept you on YOUR terms. Oh by the way I am a CC guy that loves the 2nd amendment.
I'm a CC guy, and I do support OC--just not at the expense of the rights of others. If I can force my 2A rights on the guy who owns a Whataburger, what's to stop some stinkin' dang hippie from exercising his rights by setting up a "protest" tent in my yard?
 

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I'm a CC guy, and I do support OC--just not at the expense of the rights of others. If I can force my 2A rights on the guy who owns a Whataburger, what's to stop some stinkin' dang hippie from exercising his rights by setting up a "protest" tent in my yard?

Winner winner, chicken dinner.


The Bill of Rights, of which the Second Amendment is a part, is not a list of things that you're allowed to do no matter what and no matter where. They are a list of inalienable, god-given rights that you have and specifies what the federal government may not do to you or prevent you from doing.


It doesn't protect your ability to speak your mind or carry your gat in a private place of business like Whataburger.


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We here among us in a gun forum may not be put off by the sight of a firearm while eating because most of us are likely never more than a few feet away from one at any one time, some of us prolly all the time. How many take their gun into the bathroom? Vincent got his azz killed leavin his machinegun on the counter in Butchs apartment and died on the toilet, F that shite, I will sometimes take mine into the toilet with me when home alone. Im a whacko tho.

Ive seen alot of changes concerning guns over the years. Im all for OC if it makes you comfortable, but myself I dont need or want to OC when out in public, never have, prolly never will either, and thats my 'right'. I have my CC tho so I can if I ever want. I do CC. But not all of the time. Im old enough to remember living and moving around in this world before CC. Im most remembered of those days now when outside of this country. Some people back in the day carried concealed illegal, I know I did some times when needed, but most god fearing tax paying hard working live by the book people did not.

How things have changed over the years. I remember putting in hours and years at the gym boxing, at the dojo, hitting the weights, etc, all in practicing for the just in case scenarios if someone attacked me and I needed to defend my life, etc. I walked around with some what the confidence knowing that I could protect myself if my life was in danger. Today tho, that is so old skool of a mindset even with the new popularity of MMA. Nowadays a lot of people who never before would have even thought of owning a gun are just so scared of anything that moves they go out and buy a gun and save all that sweat and time in the gym and they take one firearms lesson and get their permit and theyre ready to just shoot anyone who messes with them or even if you just act or look like youre going to mess with them. Threaten someone with just your mean ugly scary face and these days a lot of people will just shoot you because showing that mean ugly scary face gave them the 'right' to be fearful for their lives and to shoot and kill you. Kill. The old days when you just ended up with a couple black eyes after an altercation are long gone. And now with OC legal it really gives the cowboys and the quick draw crowd even quicker access to punishing that person for making that mean ugly scary face and scaring them into thinking that their life is in danger.

I dont have small children at home any more. But I remember well when I did and my kids saw alot of guns in their house growing up same as I did growing up and they wouldnt have been shocked at all seeing them while eating, neither would I as a lil kid. Hell alot of times at my house and my dads house a gun would be out on the coffee table or even on the family dinner table. But a lot of other peoples kids dont ever see guns in their house or even one up close some in their entire lives and with all of the gun violence in the news it just makes alot of people who are not gun owners much less gun nuts very nervous to see someone with a gun that is not military or law enforcement. I think if you saw a pierced, tattooed, long haired guy like me in shorts Tshirt and sneakers with a gun strapped on you gotta think wtf is going on with this guy. I would.

If WB doesnt want me OCing there but theyre cool with me CCing, then to me theyre only limiting my right to carry the firearm in the open, theyre not limiting my ultimate gun or 2A rights or at the worse attempting to take the firearm away from me, which to me is the bigger and more important fight. The CEO has even said that he is an avid hunter and CC holder himself.

I thought trying to keep our guns period was our ultimate fight with 2A. When did where the gun is attached or positioned on my body become what we are fighting about? Limiting me to not being able to carry my firearm at all would be suppressing my rights and something I should not have to put up with and in turn I should not support that business at all period in any capacity. Letting me possess the firearm but limiting me in its position on my body while in their establishment so as not to frighten the other customers thus allowing me to continue to do business there IMO is not limiting my 'rights'. But I guess to others it is, so just label me a sympathizer then.
 

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I had an opportunity to have dinner with Gov. Fallin weeks before she signed OC. I told her I didn't think it was a good idea because of the natural "shock" factor it has on many, especially children and ultra timid. Conversely, I voiced concerns about CC ghosting and stated OC may solve that. I've grown more appreciative of her insight to sign OC and I've even done it twice, once while retrieving camp supplies in full hunting camo in Nowata at Tractor Supply and Pizza Hut, and as one should expect, not a person even noticed. The next time I did it was when it was too hot for CC and I was running errands around Bartlesville on a motorcycle. A lot of people noticed that time and I didn't like making the some of them uncomfortable, as was obvious. We have to stand for our rights, but concurrently we have to be cognizant too. As a former Marine, I innately possess the ability to cuss like a sailor, but as a prominent business leader and Grandpa it's not appropriate, so I save it for when I'm alone in the field and my arrow blows through and is lost. I now will fight to retain OC and will probably only do it infrequently and probably not in downtown Tulsa or a city restaurant. Whataburger can have its stance, and I won't pitch a fit at them, may even still eat there too, but if there's an equally good burger down the way that never raised the issue, I know who I'll choose. Point being, I don't always like my customers and I know we don't all think the same, but those $$ all speak the same. Not that many customers are unlikable and there's not that many that choose to OC. The smart man rolls with it and votes with his $$ and ballots


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