Sen. Cornyn, With NRA Blessing, Proposes Gun Background Checks

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Clearly you haven't seen OSA's classifieds.

Private sales not crossing state lines do not need to go through a dealer, whether online, in print classifieds, or just plain word-of-mouth.
Only if they are between individuals, one of which had to have gone through the background check when they initially bought the item through a licensed dealer.

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I would personally like to see the 4473/background check requirement eliminated. Aside from being a prior restraint on a right, it is extremely overbroad. It puts a burden on millions of people who aren't going to commit any violent crimes just to try to stop a tiny percent who are.

And then there is the issue that the categories of "prohibited persons" are themselves overbroad... for instance, the vast majority of convicted felons do not go on to commit violent crimes with a firearm, and in the first place, most of them are convicted of nonviolent, even victimless crimes. These are people who tend to be in demographics making them much more likely than most to themselves be victims of violent crime. I don't think it is right to deprive these people of their right to self defense/right to live for the rest of their lives.

And then there is the "fox guarding the henhouse" aspect to consider. The 2A is a check against governmental power. It exists to ensure the people's ability to revolt. In this light, it makes no sense to put the government in charge of who can and can't buy weapons.
 

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The sex/gender issue is interesting and important but will get us way off track in a hurry. Perhaps I shouldn't have raised it at all but it is a sore point for those of us with a traditional point of view who are having an alien and (to us) morally wrong outlook forced upon us.

Can psychologists reduce the number of gun-related deaths? Some undoubtedly but how many? And how much freedom should we give up to in an effort to save more? Abdicating more and more authority to psychologists is a mistake IMO.

With all due respect to your profession, it poses a danger to our civil liberties. There is a thin line between it being a benign and caring profession and one which becomes a tool for statists. Are your professional societies pro 2A, neutral or anti 2A? Perhaps the answer is not clear cut but I do believe that many psychological "truths" are shaped by politics and economics rather than being a matter of verifiable scientific study.

We must not abdicate too much power to psychologists and psychiatrists who even with the best of intentions are not able to predict human behavior. The danger is one we are already seeing with the VA and our veterans - preemptive gun confiscation. This evil needs to be reversed in a hurry else it take root and spread.

"How should we handle this dilemma (of thousands of gun deaths)?"
Your question reveals the stress and pressure of your work. Thank you for what you do to try to help people in extreme circumstances. I do not know if we are facing an epidemic of murder and suicides in historic terms (my hunch is that we are not) but I am certain it seems that way from the perspective of mental health professionals. Instead of expecting you to do more, the answer is to restore the network of love and caring found in intact, healthy families and communities. You can't do that. It is the individual responsibility of each of us.

Well said!!
Finally, as several here I am sure of also apreciate, thank you so much for stating this so aptly. A man of true wisdom and understanding, so rare these days. You, Sir, I would be honored and consider it a privilege to meet.
 

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"Actually, many psychologist do just that...restore healthy, loving, and caring relationships in families and communities"
Only if all involved are willing to work on the issues
Its just as easy to show the work being done, and still be crazy as a Frued
And the more involved in "the system" , the easier it is to do

And the accessibility of a professional, especially in smaller areas, would complicate it even more
 

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Only if all involved are willing to work on the issues...
I disagree, and have plenty of evidence to the contrary. Rarely are absolutes (e.g., "all" in this case) necessary.


Its just as easy to show the work being done, and still be crazy as a Frued...
Are you trying to use outliers to describe what is normal? Or, are you trying to say something else?


...And the accessibility of a professional, especially in smaller areas, would complicate it even more
We manage to care for the physical health of people in rural areas, and we can definitely do better at managing psychological health in the same areas. I don't see this issue as an obstacle as much as one of values and priority.
 

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The wet paper linch pin and foundation of the entire "House of Psychological" dianog...principles and process being built on the assumption of their being no truth(s) is where that house of cards and huge straw man falls during any time of flood, trials & testing. Humanistic Psychology from its own top minds produces itself the harshest critics within the very most respected analysis concur that its practices and application is not a end or cure....Begging the required question of: So what is? This may or will be endlessly debated until society crumbles and we are enslaved unless we discover a couple things by putting our pride down and search for the one answer:
It is not in mans hands but The Lord God Almighty and his Word of Truth. All the answers are there even to happiness in severe circumstances like Job.
People break many of Gods principals & laws far before breaking mans. Internal breakdown of hardening of concience then self control comes far before peer influences or outside action based laws are broken. The battle is not with these liberals or idiot, ratings, money, power hungry agenda driven twisters of fact we can see as parrotts. The battle is with and begins with inside every one of us and does not end until it encompases things beyond measurement out of our influence of the immediate that easily, I can not explain, such as powers, principalities, and the like that affect or dupe the ones that are trying to seemingly, some sneakily, or incrementally strangle and suppress the ability of law abiders from self defense and preservation of the little that is good here that is left and distract from our far greater mission to:
Protect the defenseless, and advocating for the rights of widos and those who can not defend themselves. This is the true way of doing right not all this useless wrestling with politicians posturing & human institutions too easily corrupted.
Go out and do the right thing!
Your good examples will spread like wildfire and wrongdoers will be shamed back to the corners and shadows where they belong.
Nuff Said.

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I disagree, and have plenty of evidence to the contrary. Rarely are absolutes (e.g., "all" in this case) necessary.

If one partner isn't willing to go to counseling....what good is done
Or if they don't tell the story truthfully( I had a wife that tried to get me on meds, ) pretty evidential


Are you trying to use outliers to describe what is normal? Or, are you trying to say something else?

Knowing the system, it can be worked with the right answers..(same wife)

We manage to care for the physical health of people in rural areas, and we can definitely do better at managing psychological health in the same areas. I don't see this issue as an obstacle as much as one of values and priority.

Current wife could use some help( she suffers with LUPUS and other debilitating health issues, causing some self worth issues)...1-2 hour drive to get to help....she doesn't drive any more

I personally know the effects of counseling, and the flaws therein , I have many friends that are involved in the care area

I'll agree there is some good in it, taking the rights of people isn't one of them, too much room for human error
 

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