Safety Safety Safety - Firearm discharged

SoonerP226 · Dec 8, 2015

Dr. HK said:
What is weird is that the hallow point never expanded or mushroomed.

Hollowpoints need hydraulic pressure to expand--i.e, they need to hit something wet, like flesh or ballistic gel. If they hit something dry (like plastic or clothing), they may deform, but they won't expand. If they hit something dry that plugs the hollow before they hit something wet their expansion may also be diminished.

TerryMiller · Dec 8, 2015

SoonerP226 said:
Visual is a must; if you can't see into the chamber, check with your finger. There was a gunsmith in OKC who lost his life about 20 years ago because he didn't visually inspect the chamber on a 1911; reportedly, he dropped the mag and racked the slide, then went to put it in the vise. At some point he got his finger inside the trigger guard while he was in front of the muzzle, hitting the trigger in the process, and that was all she wrote.

Yes, he dropped the mag and racked the slide, and in that order--but it had a broken extractor. He could've racked the slide all day and it would've left that round in the pipe...

That in bold and underlined was my first thought when reading the original post. As for me, I guess I'm in the class of those that "haven't done this yet," even after 69 years.

pak-40 · Dec 8, 2015

SoonerP226 said:
Visual is a must; if you can't see into the chamber, check with your finger. There was a gunsmith in OKC who lost his life about 20 years ago because he didn't visually inspect the chamber on a 1911; reportedly, he dropped the mag and racked the slide, then went to put it in the vise. At some point he got his finger inside the trigger guard while he was in front of the muzzle, hitting the trigger in the process, and that was all she wrote.

Yes, he dropped the mag and racked the slide, and in that order--but it had a broken extractor. He could've racked the slide all day and it would've left that round in the pipe...

My Granddad took me shooting for the first time when I was 3. One of the rules he drilled into my head was, "if you are 100% sure the chamber is empty, check it anyway. Just to safe, check it again"

SPDguns · Dec 8, 2015

There are two kinds of people- Those who have had an AD and those who are GOING to.......

mightymouse · Dec 8, 2015

SPDguns said:
There are two kinds of people- Those who have had an AD and those who are GOING to.......

Yep. Either you have had one, or you are yet to have one. Just try not to maim or kill someone when you do.

Buzzdraw · Dec 8, 2015

Best practice I know to clear a semi auto with a magazine is to drop the mag, rack the slide at least 3 times, lock the action open and then visually AND physically check for an empty chamber. Clicking the hammer down later is a subset of dry fire. One condition of dry fire is to have a backstop that will safely contain any AD/ND.

nuclearabe · Dec 9, 2015

I did the same thing with a bolt gun. I was done shooting, running my mouth and not focused. Magazine was empty, but i had only fired four rounds. I looked in the chamber and the shadow from the receiver kept me from seeing the round. For whatever reason, when i retracted the bolt it didnt pick up that last round. I closed the bolt, pointed it downrange and it went bang when i squeezed the trigger. From that day forward, it ain't clear until i finger check it and visually see the chamber is empty. Even then, muzzle awareness.

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RickN · Dec 9, 2015

Hobbes said:
Makes a person appreciate a good old fashioned revolver without recessed chambers.
Glad the rest of your safety precautions worked and no one was hurt.

I have to admit I only keep revolvers loaded around the house for that very reason. When I do take a semi-auto to the range it gets visually and touch checked, and even then I know it could happen. All it takes is one screwup on my part.

Bluewing · Dec 9, 2015

Oklahomabassin said:
Good rule of thumb is to show a gun is clear before handing a gun to someone else. Hand over with bolt open, or slide locked back etc.

Big 10-4 on that.

Hobbes · Dec 9, 2015

RickN said:
I have to admit I only keep revolvers loaded around the house for that very reason. When I do take a semi-auto to the range it gets visually and touch checked, and even then I know it could happen. All it takes is one screwup on my part.

I'm the same way.
The bedside goto is a S&W 6 shot revolver in 357mag and that's backed up by a 6 shot Colt in 38sp.
The M&P in 45 as well as the glock 17 usually have loaded mags but never have a round in the chamber until I go to the range or trouble comes calling.

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