Is it time? AR-15 question

NikatKimber · Dec 8, 2015

sh00ter said:
I mostly agree with what you said except the first part of course...re-read my post and see I also said I could say nice things about DI...Just because I think a "ground up" piston gun has the potential to be more reliable and lower maintenance for our soldiers (and minute men), doesn't mean I think YOU are wrong to choose what you like...piston being reliable doesn't mean all DI guns are crap. But if I am generally comparing them, my post gives my opinion quite well I think.

The sarcasm must you learn, young Jedi!

And to Hensch's point about "mil-spec", I think the important part is to know what that means, and if you are trying to save a buck, where you are willing to sacrifice on that. Just because a gun isn't "mil-spec" doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it, or that it's junk, but that it isn't the same, and the same shouldn't be expected of it.

Shootin 4 Fun · Dec 8, 2015

Old firearm technology does not stand the test of time. Revolvers, obsolete. Lever action rifles, the age of the design makes them unreliable. Pump action shotguns, what a joke. The Glock, 30+ years old now. John Moses Browning, such a tetard. You gotta grab on to the new, the world has about a half dozen piston AR fanatics, we must join them.

sh00ter · Dec 8, 2015

NikatKimber said:
The sarcasm must you learn, young Jedi!

And to Hensch's point about "mil-spec", I think the important part is to know what that means, and if you are trying to save a buck, where you are willing to sacrifice on that. Just because a gun isn't "mil-spec" doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it, or that it's junk, but that it isn't the same, and the same shouldn't be expected of it.

point taken

Shootin 4 Fun said:
Old firearm technology does not stand the test of time. Revolvers, obsolete. Lever action rifles, the age of the design makes them unreliable. Pump action shotguns, what a joke. The Glock, 30+ years old now. John Moses Browning, such a tetard. You gotta grab on to the new, the world has about a half dozen piston AR fanatics, we must join them.

would it be better not to tell the guy about piston guns at all? Also, the AK-47 alone proved the "old technology" of pistons has also withstood the test of time...

In my OPINION

quality DI AR rifle = sports car
quality piston rifle = Chevy pickup

Which would u rather have in adverse conditions? That was my point I wanted to get across. As long as you have your AR properly tuned and plenty of lube and time for cleaning, it will perform. By design, the piston guns do not get as sluggish/dirty where it counts. But I'd take a quality DI rifle over a cheapy AR converted to piston. I'm not an expert though, I just wanted to offer the guy something he can look into if he wishes.

Vamoose · Dec 8, 2015

If you're not sure whether it's the right time to go all the way buy a stripped lower.

Shootin 4 Fun · Dec 9, 2015

sh00ter said:
point taken

would it be better not to tell the guy about piston guns at all? Also, the AK-47 alone proved the "old technology" of pistons has also withstood the test of time...

In my OPINION

quality DI AR rifle = sports car
quality piston rifle = Chevy pickup

Which would u rather have in adverse conditions? That was my point I wanted to get across. As long as you have your AR properly tuned and plenty of lube and time for cleaning, it will perform. By design, the piston guns do not get as sluggish/dirty where it counts. But I'd take a quality DI rifle over a cheapy AR converted to piston. I'm not an expert though, I just wanted to offer the guy something he can look into if he wishes.

I just get a good chuckle out our statement that the DI design is unreliable because it's 50 year old technology while pushing 70 year old piston technology.

uncle money bags · Dec 9, 2015

Everyone has an opinion. Some opinions are more valid than others.

promiseofwar · Dec 9, 2015

I believe Definitive Arms makes an AK in 5.56. I also noticed LWRC is now making DI guns... If you can't beat em join em?

sh00ter · Dec 9, 2015

Shootin 4 Fun said:
I just get a good chuckle out our statement that the DI design is unreliable because it's 50 year old technology while pushing 70 year old piston technology.

Generally speaking, I believe DI is less reliable if not properly maintained...in the context of SHTF, this really matters...I love my 1911 too, but it likes to run wet...if SHTF, I'd be more likely to state my life on Glock...that is maybe a better analogy? You guys are trying to say I am attacking DI as unreliable when in fact I am making a comparison to another design. This is a gray topic but if it must be black & white, I stand by my opinion; and that opinion is not "DI is crap"...you know this by now.

uncle money bags · Dec 9, 2015

What do you base your opinion on, shooter?

soonerwings · Dec 9, 2015

I've only recently begun thinking of purchasing an "evil black rifle" and I really haven't done much in depth study of the two designs. Here's my uniformed .02 though...I lean toward DI because of availability of parts. No design, not even the piston gun, is 100% reliable. In a SHTF scenario I'd prefer a weapon that I can easily find new parts for. It's the same reason I stick to popular calibers for every gun that goes in my safe. Sure, there are ballistically superior rounds out there, but if I can't find ammo for a gun it's useless.

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