SA/DA VS Striker/SA

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You get second strike capability with DA/SA

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Squeeze trigger -> click (oh ****) -> squeeze again -> KABOOM (hopefully)

this was seen as an advantage of the German walther p38 over the American colt 1911 (SA) during WWII. you could simply pull the trigger again vs having to rack the slide back due to misfire...not saying it guaranteed the round would fire with the second strike but I can see where DA might be helpful.
 

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This and as various police departments were considering transitioning from revolvers to semi-autos
This was an explicit concern when the West German police did their police pistol trials in the late '70s/early '80s (in the wake of the massacre at the Munich Olympics in '72). They wanted the crunchentickers to act as much like wheelguns as possible to minimize the difficulties in converting from revolvers, which resulted in one of the design criteria being no manual safeties. That, in turn, meant that you couldn't have a traditional SA trigger, at least for the first shot; SIG-Sauer and Walther both chose a traditional DA/SA action for their P6 and P5 (respectively), and HK went with the innovative squeeze-cocking system on its P7. (The P6 is the progenitor of the P22x series of pistols, BTW.)

That doesn't really explain the existence of DA/SA (that goes back to before WWII, and, really, I think that was just an attempt to build a better mousetrap), but it does go a long way toward explaining how prevalent it has been for the last thirty-plus years.
 

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Striker fired mechanisms appeared later in the game. The Single Action came first, which required a safety. In order to remove the safety (more specifically, to simplify operation), the DA/SA and DAO systems came about. The Striker fired mechanism that we see commonly now followed later. If the Striker mechanism had come before the DA/SA & DAO hammer systems, they may not have ever been developed.
 

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The striker mechanism isn't that new--the P08 Luger used a striker, as did a bunch of pocket pistols like the Baby Browning.

The Glock-style "double action" strikers are relatively new, though.
 

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I love 1911's and own some nice ones. Wilson, Baer, and Brown. Although I have carried 1911's it gets expensive testing them for reliability. They tend to be magazine/ammo picky. For the last three years I have been carrying .45 XDM's and .45 Glock 21's. They are not magazine pickey and eat any quality ammo. Now to OP's question. Striker pistols are more dangerous to carry because of no manual safety. Shove one into a holster with part of your shirt inside the trigger guard and you go bang. Many law enforcement officers, and others, have found out the hard way. I recently acquired a Wilson Combat Brig Tac Beretta with the action tune. 8 pound double action pull and 3.75 single action pull. Decocker only with a heavier G slide. It's like carrying a tuned revolver and the match barrel makes it very accurate. I have the added safety of a revolver with the fire power of a semi. The Beretta runs like a well oiled sewing machine and is as reliable as a striker. All metal parts including a fluted guide rod. I love this pistol and the price is right. Check it out.
http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Beretta...gadier-Tactical-9mm/productinfo/BER-92BRIG-9/
 

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Striker pistols are more dangerous to carry because of no manual safety.
Hogwash.

First of all, there are striker-fired pistols with manual safeties. Second, that makes wheelguns just as dangerous as striker-fired pistols. Third, sticking a pistol in a holster with your shirt in the trigger guard isn't the gun's firing mechanism not being safe, it's 100% operator error.
 

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I believe any discharge that is not intentional is negligent. Secondly, I've had a negligent discharge. No one was hurt thank goodness. Double action only, double/single, striker, single action, DAK, LEM, all of them are capable of a negligent discharge. It's up to us to be safe regardless.

Now, I have a Dan Wesson ECO in 9mm coming in today. I feel 100% confident in carrying it.


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Hogwash.

First of all, there are striker-fired pistols with manual safeties. Second, that makes wheelguns just as dangerous as striker-fired pistols. Third, sticking a pistol in a holster with your shirt in the trigger guard isn't the gun's firing mechanism not being safe, it's 100% operator error.
Instead of being cute, why dont you attempt to answer OP's question?
 

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