Muhammed Ali won't be down for breakfast.

YukonGlocker · Jun 4, 2016

As a Black man in the early 60s, he fought through a system of overwhelming racism to earn an Olympic gold medal, then a Heavyweight championship. Following that his mere presence threatened the White man's system at every level, and he responded with wit and class. That inspired countless numbers of people do things they thought were impossible; and helped change the ways we as a society think about race, religion, politics, war, and other things. He was an extraordinary athlete and role model; and this world needs more like him.

JD8 · Jun 4, 2016

tristanjay said:
None. I'm nothing more than a pathetic ROTC aspirant at the moment. Hopefully I will get contracted, if not I'll probably enlist at some point.

But you can bet your sweet ass if I got a draft notice in the mail, I would do what I had to do.
Just like my father, grandfather, great grandfather etc.

Thanks. Puts the cheap seats in perspective.

Vamoose · Jun 4, 2016

tristanjay said:
None. I'm nothing more than a pathetic ROTC aspirant at the moment. Hopefully I will get contracted, if not I'll probably enlist at some point.

But you can bet your sweet ass if I got a draft notice in the mail, I would do what I had to do.
Just like my father, grandfather, great grandfather etc.

That's good tristenjay. Thank God there are people like you who are ready to serve. Without people like you we'd be in a real shithole. I served too. I served in the days when Ali refused to serve. I've never had any problem with his stand. He's still one of my young man heroes. You don't know what you would've done back then. You think you know, but you really don't. And it's kind of silly of you to think you do.

MadDogs · Jun 4, 2016

YukonGlocker said:
As a Black man in the early 60s, he fought through a system of overwhelming racism to earn an Olympic gold medal, then a Heavyweight championship. Following that his mere presence threatened the White man's system at every level, and he responded with wit and class. That inspired countless numbers of people do things they thought were impossible; and helped change the ways we as a society think about race, religion, politics, war, and other things. He was an extraordinary athlete and role model; and this world needs more like him.

People need to vet their "role models". I know two people that have come across Ali. One was a boxer who had been in the gym training when Ali and his camp were in training. He said that Ali was always talking trash and saying racist crap to every white guy ... regardless if he was a boxer or what. The other was a LEO who was son's godfather who was also an ex-fighter (I watched him wrist an LA Phone Book once) and Ali (might have been Clay at the time) went off on him about being "Italian" and how he would kick his ass just for being "kinda white".

I can't imagine walking in his shoes and going through what he had to go through and with that kind of understand "why" he came off to some as being "racist". Still ... not a fan but basically as I said earlier ... I don't know how anyone could have beat Liston.

Frederick · Jun 4, 2016

Vamoose said:
That's good tristenjay. Thank God there are people like you who are ready to serve. Without people like you we'd be in a real shithole. I served too. I served in the days when Ali refused to serve. I've never had any problem with his stand. He's still one of my young man heroes. You don't know what you would've done back then. You think you know, but you really don't. And it's kind of silly of you to think you do.

I think I know because I don't have the money or influence Ali did. My ass would end up in jail like everyone else. You can sit here and criticize me for what I'm saying, but I have every right to criticize Ali for his actions. Just as a jury member who has never killed can judge a murderer, so can I judge someone who fails to do his duty. I have never been drafted, but you don't have to have ever served to judge those who refuse.

I think it's kind of silly to make insinuations that only those who have served or have been drafted have any business bearing judgement on those who draft dodge.

Could my perspective change if I was in his position? Maybe. But that doesn't make what he did right. I would want no less a judgment for myself.

Now that I think about it, actually. I don't think being in the MilItary necessarily makes your opinion any more valid or gives you a sufficient perspective on Ali situation.

deerwhacker444 · Jun 4, 2016

Shootin 4 Fun said:
He did not dodge the draft, he gave up everything while standing on his principals. If anything, we need more Americans like Ali.

And what principle would that be?

Won't fight for his Country because he doesn't believe in violence then makes a living beathing the S%^t outta people?
Cheat on your wife?
Align with the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm X?
Hated white people?

Yeah, that's the kind of Americans we need more of...

Frederick · Jun 4, 2016

deerwhacker444 said:
And what principle would that be?

Won't fight for his Country, but will fight for Million$.?

Yeah, and what about my grandfather? A 100 percent disabled vietnam vet?

Did he not stand on principle?

I get a little irritated when I hear about people who dodged the draft or pulled some BS to avoid it and I look at my grandfather and what the war did to him and then see people talking about how draft dodgers were standing on principles. What kind of principle is refusing to serve your country when called? They surely just drafted somebody else to replace Ali. Somebody without his resources or influence and stature.

RidgeHunter · Jun 4, 2016

It's funny the politicians some of you will vote for after being so critical of a dead boxer's personal life.

Better not have ever cast a vote for a draft dodger or adulterer.

MadDogs · Jun 4, 2016

RidgeHunter said:
It's funny the politicians some of you will vote for after being so critical of a dead boxer's personal life.

Better not have ever cast a vote for a draft dodger or adulterer.

Yep. Both Biden and Trump had "deferments" to get out of Vietnam.

OKC03Cobra · Jun 4, 2016

MadDogs said:
Yep. Both Biden and Trump had "deferments" to get out of Vietnam.

I guess that means you would rather vote for the liar, criminal and Butcher of Benghazi.

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