Outside heater drain pipe is frozen

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My heater keeps shutting itself off after a couple minutes or so. Went up to the attic and found the drain is frozen. Thawed it with a hair dryer and unplugged it, nothing drained out. Still don't know why it keeps shutting off.
It could be the low gas pressure. Especially if your water heater or gas dryer is kicking on at the same time. That is what I'm thinking on mine now.
 

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Thanks for this information. My upstairs unit has a drain that runs across about 10 feet of attic space. Well it froze and the heater wouldn’t run starting about 3:30 yesterday. Based on your post, I installed a temporary bypass and the heater has been working. I had no idea a gas furnace generated this much condensation. This is about 17 hours worth, maybe 2 gallons of water.

Any suggestions for a permanent fix?

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high efficiency furnace don't have a high enough exhaust temperature so moisture will condense before it can leave the flue and run back into the unit. The manufactures design for this.

salt... maybe. never tried it. Couldn't hurt.

if it will drain even a little you can cup some hot water thru it and open it up. If its solid it will likely just freeze up again tonight while you sleep.

might be able to figure out how to drain into a bucket. or cut up a garden hose and drain into a bathtub if your desperate

depending on access you might install a condensate pump and poly tube it to a sanitary drain
 

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Thanks for this information. My upstairs unit has a drain that runs across about 10 feet of attic space. Well it froze and the heater wouldn’t run starting about 3:30 yesterday. Based on your post, I installed a temporary bypass and the heater has been working. I had no idea a gas furnace generated this much condensation. This is about 17 hours worth, maybe 2 gallons of water.

Any suggestions for a permanent fix?

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glad to see your going even if you have to dump the bucket every so often. I’m most cases You can insulate the exposed section and be ok. As long as it flows well there should be enough heat to keep from freezing. Home Depot should have insulation or LOCKE SUPPLY will have armaflex. The thicker wall the better. In some cases you might need to install heat trace tape but that would be rare
 

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Same here. But the city code inspector flagged it and they had to put a "cap" on it. So....being PVC they just added two 90deg elbows onto it. Don't know if the inspector was right or not, but it hasn't caused any issues yet.
Supposed to run thru a “running trap “ and have that vertical piece directly after. It’s purpose is so that the leaving water does not pull the water out of the trap


In lieu of a trap you can also loop poly tube as long as you have enough head

one thing some installers and inspectors miss is having too much exhaust pipe (especially horizontal) and not account for the moisture condensing and flooding the unit in big (almost tidal wave like motion) swoosh.
 

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glad to see your going even if you have to dump the bucket every so often. I’m most cases You can insulate the exposed section and be ok. As long as it flows well there should be enough heat to keep from freezing. Home Depot should have insulation or LOCKE SUPPLY will have armaflex. The thicker wall the better. In some cases you might need to install heat trace tape but that would be rare

Mine has pipe insulation sleeves around all the piping, indoor and outside. And have the heat trace tape wrapped around the pipes under the insulation. Still didn't match this cold. I wonder, seriously, about having the heat tape "through" the internal bore of the pipes?
 

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Mine has pipe insulation sleeves around all the piping, indoor and outside. And have the heat trace tape wrapped around the pipes under the insulation. Still didn't match this cold. I wonder, seriously, about having the heat tape "through" the internal bore of the pipes?
Is the heat tape working? Is it thermostatically controlled?
 

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Maybe an obvious question.... is the heat tape on top of the pipe? It must be on the bottom

Not 100% sure.

Looks like it spirals around the pipe but can't tell as the pipe is fully covered in insulation sleeves and the tape is underneath the insulation.

Dave
 

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