Communism v. Socialism

TedKennedy · Feb 18, 2021

Socialism would be a touch more palatable if the division of wealth was actually shared by the contributors. (and this has been done in some places)

In practice in the United States, wealth is taken from earners, and given to non-earners. The system is setup to promote dependence. Given the diversity of the U.S., and disproportional use of these stolen funds, the system breeds enmity between groups.

The arguments that "we don't want socialism in the U.S." are 100% nonsense. We already have it, and have had for decades.

tRidiot · Feb 18, 2021

TedKennedy said:
Socialism would be a touch more palatable if the division of wealth was actually shared by the contributors. (and this has been done in some places)

In practice in the United States, wealth is taken from earners, and given to non-earners. The system is setup to promote dependence. Given the diversity of the U.S., and disproportional use of these stolen funds, the system breeds enmity between groups.

The arguments that "we don't want socialism in the U.S." are 100% nonsense. We already have it, and have had for decades.

The argument should be, "We don't want MORE Socialism," or "We don't want systemically pervasive Socialism."

TedKennedy · Feb 18, 2021

tRidiot said:
The argument should be, "We don't want MORE Socialism," or "We don't want systemically pervasive Socialism."

I'd argue that we need to rid ourselves of the socialism that already has infected us.

cjjtulsa · Feb 18, 2021

TedKennedy said:
I'd argue that we need to rid ourselves of the socialism that already has infected us.

Good luck. Just for one quick example, "What is 'Social Security?' for $400, Alex".

And as for "Fascism"? Mussolini (who was pretty much the granddaddy of it) described it as "the merger of state and corporate powers". You mean, like using extorted taxpayer money to bail out auto companies, airlines, etc.? Or working with corporate giants to withhold or censor information to influence elections? That type of thing? I'm not sure most Americans realize how far down the rabbit hole we already are.

Judi · Feb 18, 2021

Democrat = Socialism = Communism = Death

It's a three step program. 100% certain results of the same. Tried and Tried again only to produce more deaths....

mr ed · Feb 18, 2021

$15 hr. Minimum wage will lead to farm bankruptcies.
Which will lead to mass foreclosures.
Which will be bought up by corporations on a larger and faster scale than they are doing now.

tRidiot · Feb 18, 2021

mr ed said:
$15 hr. Minimum wage will lead to farm bankruptcies.
Which will lead to mass foreclosures.
Which will be bought up by corporations on a larger and faster scale than they are doing now.

Big Ag will get farms an exemption.

Roy14 · Feb 18, 2021

TedKennedy said:
Socialism would be a touch more palatable if the division of wealth was actually shared by the contributors. (and this has been done in some places)

In practice in the United States, wealth is taken from earners, and given to non-earners. The system is setup to promote dependence. Given the diversity of the U.S., and disproportional use of these stolen funds, the system breeds enmity between groups.

The arguments that "we don't want socialism in the U.S." are 100% nonsense. We already have it, and have had for decades.

Have had it since FDR, at the least. Hoppe makes a good case for Monarchy, as there’s some real desire to pass along something good to your heirs, and it gives a real, singular person to judge if acts are committed against the populace. With our many headed hydra, there is no place to begin in correcting the issue. I’m firmly a peaceful anarchist, voluntaryist, and agorist, but in our country I’d make the case that Balkanization is the only real answer with a chance at being moderately successful.

ConstitutionCowboy · Feb 18, 2021

The insurances we buy or are forced to buy is what I believe is the biggest and worse form of socialism we have in this country. We pay in to systems that are supposed to cover our butts when we get sick, or in a wreck, to support us when we retire, or to support our families if we die before our time. When you buy into a plan, you are now limited to whatever services the insurance will pay for. And, not all the money paid into the system gets paid out in benefeits. There are stock holders, and employees, and executives to pay.

If you want or need a service outside the system, it comes out of your pocket

This causes inflation as well. Or at least allows inflation to rage on. Service providers have no incentive to become cometitors for your money. "Its all covered by your insurance." You still have to make copayments, too. Some copayments would have been enough to cover a procedure or repair a car a decade or two prior.

Without insurance, you could save whatever premiums you are paying now to cover the collective - and all the leeches living off what you've paid into the 'system' - and end up with enough saved to save, to invest for your own retirement, or hospital bills, or auto repairs, etc., etc., etc. If you want to see healthcare and etc. prices make a dramatic drop, eliminate insurance. Competition in the several industries now banking on insurance for their largess will set a pace for reducing cost faster than any government regulation could ever do.

What turned me on to this was watching the Prudential Tower in Boston going up - built on the premiums people paid into the sustem, and money Prudential made from investments with those premiums - money that individuals could have made for themselves.

Invest in yourselves.

Woody

Duncandl · Feb 18, 2021

If any of you are really interested in how Communism works I encourage you to read, "The Man Who Stayed Behind" by Sidney Rittenberg.

I have a copy here at the house if you would like a great read. I worked with a Navy Linguist who spoke Mandarin and after his time in the service he lived in China for a few years because he was curious about life there. This book changed his life and I have to say it opened my eyes into why communism will never work, it's impossible and with free speech it is doomed in the few countries who think it is working.

I worked with the young man at OU after I retired from the Navy and had told him about my trip to Shanghai in May of 1989, we pulled into port with Mikhail Gorbachev standing on the pier and after our first night of liberty martial law was declared due to the student uprising taking place. To walk "The Bund" in Shanghai and see nothing but varying shades of gray was something I will never forget.

This could be an interesting topic, but I encourage everyone to read the book if you feel like you are in the "know..."

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