Employer Requires Covid Vaccination with only 2 exemptions

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The vaccine is your choice. It’s prob prudent to discuss with your MD as he/she can best answer your questions, based on your particular health status & living situation
 

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Of course its my choice. I'm not arguing that. But with that choice comes either employment or unemployment. I don't need to speak with an MD. My son who's a cardiac care pharmacist has been neck deep with cardiac/covid patients for months now and has been on the front lines working with doctors caring for covid patients. The vaccine does not keep me from getting covid, it lessens the severity of the virus if I happen to get it and it's the same for everyone else that gets the vaccine.

I understand a business/company wanting to keep their employees safe and those under their care safe but these vaccines do neither. They only aid the individual if they get the virus. And this is my complaint, getting the vaccine does not protect anyone outside the individual in the company/business. If I'm not protecting anyone outside of me, why am I required to make a choice which encompasses employment/unemployment? We are told to listen to the experts yet some companies do as they damn well please because the law gives them the right even without the backing of the evidence.

If the vaccine kept me from getting the virus as well as spreading the virus I could understand a company requiring me to get it. But, as it stands now, this isn't the case.
 

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Of course its my choice. I'm not arguing that. But with that choice comes either employment or unemployment. I don't need to speak with an MD. My son who's a cardiac care pharmacist has been neck deep with cardiac/covid patients for months now and has been on the front lines working with doctors caring for covid patients. The vaccine does not keep me from getting covid, it lessens the severity of the virus if I happen to get it and it's the same for everyone else that gets the vaccine.

I understand a business/company wanting to keep their employees safe and those under their care safe but these vaccines do neither. They only aid the individual if they get the virus. And this is my complaint, getting the vaccine does not protect anyone outside the individual in the company/business. If I'm not protecting anyone outside of me, why am I required to make a choice which encompasses employment/unemployment? We are told to listen to the experts yet some companies do as they damn well please because the law gives them the right even without the backing of the evidence.

If the vaccine kept me from getting the virus as well as spreading the virus I could understand a company requiring me to get it. But, as it stands now, this isn't the case.

Yes this is the case. Vaccinating people in the community helps with herd (community) immunity. This lowers the spread of the virus in the community. Basic microbiology
 
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You’re correct, it “helps”. Not everyone in the community is immune thou. Theoretically an entire office staff after vaccination may not be immune. Employers outside of certain industries who require their employees to be vaccinated are doing so not for their business needs but to encourage through intimidation “herd immunity”. It’s the same carrot and stick policy that’s been used on mankind for years.
 

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You’re correct, it “helps”. Not everyone in the community is immune thou. Theoretically an entire office staff after vaccination may not be immune. Employers outside of certain industries who require their employees to be vaccinated are doing so not for their business needs but to encourage through intimidation “herd immunity”. It’s the same carrot and stick policy that’s been used on mankind for years.
yep!
 

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I know another way to get herd immunity. Don’t destroy life as we know it, especially for young healthy people and let nature run its course, which is what happened anyway it just took longer because of “flip flop I don’t know ****” Fauci.

One thing for sure, the legend and mystique of the CDC and WHO is gone forever.
 
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I like to think I'm somewhat open minded. I just want someone to tell me how, getting vaccinated helps those around me in an office setting. If vaccinated, as I understand it, I can still get covid and I believe I can still pass it on to others even though they have been vaccinated as well. So, what is accomplished other than possibly lessoning the severity of the disease in my body?

There is not one shred of medical or scientific evidence that one can infect another after vaccination. It's all speculation by political/medical advisors that live on the government teat.
If one uses the actual reporting of cases that are falling off dramatically while vaccinations are increasing exponentially, one can actually see that theory is bull shat.
There has been so much disinformation and false information by those in the political/medical field that nobody actually knows. Every day we see news reports saying the folks most opposed to vaccinations are front line workers in hospitals, etc.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...cines-distribution-rollout-struggles-n1252617
https://www.latimes.com/california/...thcare-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-access
The front line medical workers are also influenced by the rhetoric coming from the politician medical advisors like the CDC and WHO.
You were gonna die if within 6' of another or you were walking to a table at a restaurant, but it was perfectly acceptable by them to remove the double or triple mask while seated. Evidently the virus is suspended above persons seated at a table, only affecting one that is standing.
Now, the "new" guidelines from the CDC say 3' is ok for kids, but not adults in the same room as kids.
Where is the "science" behind that?
What's happening IMHO is that those in the political/medical field that never see patients, only view computer screens in a cushy office are slowly putting the country back to normal so they won't look like idiots if they acknowledge they have been wrong the majority of the time over the last year + with their stupid mandates and "science".
I'm good with vaccines, not so good with the "science" that has driven this mess that shut our country down. Most of it unnecessarily.
 

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The only thing I’m fairly certain of, is, if this decision by the gubberment agency is challenged all the way to the SCOTUS, the 3 RINOs that Trump put there, will fall in line with the chief RINO and his dem hacks.
 

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I am definitely not trying to steer anyone to or away from this "vaccine", we each have to make that call based on our own comfort level and potential risks. I am glad my parents are getting it since they both have compromised lung capacity already. Same for my in laws falling into their own higher risk categories.

If you read the numbers, they never state it will reduce the number of people infected, only the number of people hospitalized. Don't get me wrong, I think this is great to get us back to whatever the new normal is. I do think it is being marketed very heavily though. The reason the CDC stated masks, social distancing, and travel restrictions are still suggested even after a completed vaccination cycle is that it does not prevent a person from contracting the virus nor passing it around. The mRNA vaccines at least do not operate the same way as traditional vaccines. They do a great job of keeping your body's immune system from reacting in an extreme manner resulting in symptoms that can end in being in the ICU for an extended period of time. The downside to that is that it isn't helping your body kill the virus, it is just effecting a less extreme response which reduces the severity of the symptoms.

Also, as a side note, this is not a unique scenario. A lot of the most catastrophic viruses that have affected the human population were ones that had recently jumped species. This means that humans had never been exposed to the virus before and were "ignorant" to the new virus from an immune response standpoint. The same thing can happen in the opposite direction as well. Herpes Simplex 1 gives us a blister, but if certain species of monkeys contract it, it is fatal.

I'm glad this scenario has given us incentive to look at fresh ways to develop vaccines and get them out into the public much quicker than ever before. I just disagree with the marketing spin they're putting on it. Maybe I am just optimistic on how logical a population as a whole can be though. I think a lot of the more skeptical folks, myself included, would've provided more buy in if they had just been honest and transparent from the beginning. Especially with the things they were overcautious about because they didn't have enough data yet.
 

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