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McJobless in Seattle: $15 to $17 Hourly Min. Wage = $0 Hour Wage In The Real World
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<blockquote data-quote="tRidiot" data-source="post: 2791025" data-attributes="member: 9374"><p>Yikes... that's ridiculous. You can make a case for safety in that situation (however ridiculous), or at least maybe could have many years ago - but I think it's been proven that the average slackjaw (although maybe New Jersey-ites are that far below average??? - after all, they elect these people!) can safely pump their own gas.</p><p></p><p>I can't see an obvious reason why you can't use a kiosk to order your McGriddle or Big Mac - in fact, I've seen these machines at Carl's, Jr. for several years. Used 'em once or twice to bypass a line. I'm almost in favor of adding this to most restaurants, even sit-down models. You'd still need someone to run your food, but I could see it improving my service - if I can hit "we need refills on Coke, sweet tea and another basket of chips" on our table's screen, and the server and kitchen get the memos, then it streamlines things since I can't get my server's attention half the time. I'm jus' sayin'... eliminate the coming over and asking, "Do ya'll need anything?" step. It's not needed these days. Chili's already has the pay-at-the-table screens, it's easy as HELL to integrate that into ordering and refills. Easy-peasy.</p><p></p><p>The minimum wage isn't meant to be a living wage - we've discussed it ad nauseum. Let's face it, if you're 35 and dropping fries and have been for 15 years or more and you're not in management yet - you're not reaching the top of the heap for some reason.</p><p></p><p>Ask the <strong>REAL </strong>question here - is it <strong>POSSIBLE</strong> for a society to exist where <strong>EVERYONE </strong>is "middle-class" and <strong>everyone </strong>is happy? I mean... owning a middle-class home, driving your middle-class SUV or sedan, etc. Is that kind of "utopia" <strong>truly </strong>possible? Personally, I don't think it is. This is a perfect example of the vilification of the American business-owner and every larger company out there. If you hate corporate America so much, why do you issue building permits or business licenses in the name of the large corporate entities? Why not mandate every burger joint has to be locally-owned and -operated, that franchising is not permitted, no drive-thru windows, no fast-food, etc.? It's obvious that they are rejecting as unacceptable the business model that has swept the world and made McDs and others massively successful. And they're rejecting it because it is abhorrent to them socially - all while their population/constituency is continuing to patronize them. The ultimate in hypocrisy, I suppose? "I hate how you do business, but gimme a Whopper with cheese while I dress you down"?</p><p></p><p>Another reason not to live on the left coast - or the upper right coast.</p><p></p><p>We haven't heard anything about NY in all this - anyone happen to know the minimum wage in NYC? I have a heard time believing it's $7.25.</p><p></p><p>Actually I looked that up, and here it is - <a href="http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm#NewJersey" target="_blank">Minimum Wage By State</a>. Interesting.</p><p></p><p>$8.38 in Jersey (that guy that pumps your gas).</p><p>$7.25 in OK.</p><p>$8.75 in NY - and specifies 1 24-hour period off - no working 7 days straight</p><p>$9.00 in Cali</p><p>$10.50 in District of Columbia</p><p></p><p></p><p>Good to know how much those guys slangin' your fries are making. Which goes up first/more? Cost of living or minimum wage? It's a never-ending cycle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tRidiot, post: 2791025, member: 9374"] Yikes... that's ridiculous. You can make a case for safety in that situation (however ridiculous), or at least maybe could have many years ago - but I think it's been proven that the average slackjaw (although maybe New Jersey-ites are that far below average??? - after all, they elect these people!) can safely pump their own gas. I can't see an obvious reason why you can't use a kiosk to order your McGriddle or Big Mac - in fact, I've seen these machines at Carl's, Jr. for several years. Used 'em once or twice to bypass a line. I'm almost in favor of adding this to most restaurants, even sit-down models. You'd still need someone to run your food, but I could see it improving my service - if I can hit "we need refills on Coke, sweet tea and another basket of chips" on our table's screen, and the server and kitchen get the memos, then it streamlines things since I can't get my server's attention half the time. I'm jus' sayin'... eliminate the coming over and asking, "Do ya'll need anything?" step. It's not needed these days. Chili's already has the pay-at-the-table screens, it's easy as HELL to integrate that into ordering and refills. Easy-peasy. The minimum wage isn't meant to be a living wage - we've discussed it ad nauseum. Let's face it, if you're 35 and dropping fries and have been for 15 years or more and you're not in management yet - you're not reaching the top of the heap for some reason. Ask the [B]REAL [/B]question here - is it [B]POSSIBLE[/B] for a society to exist where [B]EVERYONE [/B]is "middle-class" and [B]everyone [/B]is happy? I mean... owning a middle-class home, driving your middle-class SUV or sedan, etc. Is that kind of "utopia" [B]truly [/B]possible? Personally, I don't think it is. This is a perfect example of the vilification of the American business-owner and every larger company out there. If you hate corporate America so much, why do you issue building permits or business licenses in the name of the large corporate entities? Why not mandate every burger joint has to be locally-owned and -operated, that franchising is not permitted, no drive-thru windows, no fast-food, etc.? It's obvious that they are rejecting as unacceptable the business model that has swept the world and made McDs and others massively successful. And they're rejecting it because it is abhorrent to them socially - all while their population/constituency is continuing to patronize them. The ultimate in hypocrisy, I suppose? "I hate how you do business, but gimme a Whopper with cheese while I dress you down"? Another reason not to live on the left coast - or the upper right coast. We haven't heard anything about NY in all this - anyone happen to know the minimum wage in NYC? I have a heard time believing it's $7.25. Actually I looked that up, and here it is - [URL="http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm#NewJersey"]Minimum Wage By State[/URL]. Interesting. $8.38 in Jersey (that guy that pumps your gas). $7.25 in OK. $8.75 in NY - and specifies 1 24-hour period off - no working 7 days straight $9.00 in Cali $10.50 in District of Columbia Good to know how much those guys slangin' your fries are making. Which goes up first/more? Cost of living or minimum wage? It's a never-ending cycle. [/QUOTE]
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