“Political correctness is B.S.,” Coburn said Thursday night

[dutchwrangler]

He specifically cited Article 1, Section 8 as the limit on Congress and then went against it. How is a problem resolved by perpetuating the problem with the same behavior? How's that logical? His one vote was a direct, knowlingly made violation of his oath of office. It's an impeachable offense as far as I'm concerned.

Had he never brought up A1, S8 then I wouldn't point out the hypocrisy of his Yes vote. He'd just be another clueless member of Congress.

I dunno. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm out of tune with what's right and wrong these days. The hell with it. The people deserve the government they have...

 

[soonerwings]

You're correct, they do indeed deserve it but upon further reflection I've thought of a way to clarify the point that I was trying to make. If someone gets shot or stabbed, you have to treat the symptoms so they don't die before the causal problem can be fixed. He openly admitted that we're in a position where we're going to have to treat some symptoms even though we've caused them by ignoring Article 1 section 8. I didn't care for TARP much either, but I also don't like the idea of a critical industry going belly up because our government has been silly for decades and stacked the deck against it.

This is random and I know all of you crazy Dutch people don't know each other but you don't happen to know a Dr. Raadschelders do you? Your political beliefs and arguments remind me of him.

 

[dutchwrangler]

You're correct, they do indeed deserve it but upon further reflection I've thought of a way to clarify the point that I was trying to make. If someone gets shot or stabbed, you have to treat the symptoms so they don't die before the causal problem can be fixed. He openly admitted that we're in a position where we're going to have to treat some symptoms even though we've caused them by ignoring Article 1 section 8. I didn't care for TARP much either, but I also don't like the idea of a critical industry going belly up because our government has been silly for decades and stacked the deck against it.

This is random and I know all of you crazy Dutch people don't know each other but you don't happen to know a Dr. Raadschelders do you? Your political beliefs and arguments remind me of him.

That "someone" you speak of that has been shot and stabbed is Liberty. Did his "remedy" of voting for TARP stop the bleeding? It did absolutely nothing but exacerbate the problem as evidenced by the current economic situation. So much for to big to fail.

As I age the resentment of losing Liberty grows. Yet on the other hand, I see it's becoming futile to discuss Liberty with my fellow citizens simply because they don't comprehend what it is. How many of my fellow Americans have a mom who lived under the rule of Hitler when he invaded her land? Or a father who survived two years of a prison camp overseen by the Kempeitai? My parents immigrated to Canada to escape socialism. Canada embraced socialism. So my parents moved to the US. The US embraced socialism. There is nowhere left to go.

And all around me are Americans who pay lip service to Freedom. Instead of voting for men and women who will stand by the rule of law as prescribed by the Constitution (itself a work of fallible man but it's the best we have), they concentrate on getting someone in who will advocate their personal agenda, be it gun rights, abortion, immigration, taxation, etc. Lost in the entire exercise of voting is the rule of law. And Liberty.

Odd thing about all my political posts is that they mean nothing in the end. I don't have children so my mind doesn't worry about the future that they would have endured. Almost all of my family is in Canada where socialism is the norm and it is what it is. My wife will go back to Canada when I cash in my chips since all of her family is there.

But what about you guys and gals? What about your children? And grand-children? A member proudly posts photos of his newborn child on the forum and as much as a blessing as it is... the reality is that she likely will never experience Liberty. She's already enslaved by the government and the debt that this Congress and past Congresses made without her being able to have a say in the matter. Will it be any different for her children? Me thinks not.

Anywayz, nothing I post matters. The reality is that freedom and Liberty are disappearing. It'll never be restored no matter what any of us say or do. Look around and see. Government has never been voted smaller in history. Our government is no exception to the reality of history.

 

[soonerwings]

That "someone" you speak of that has been shot and stabbed is Liberty. Did his "remedy" of voting for TARP stop the bleeding? It did absolutely nothing but exacerbate the problem as evidenced by the current economic situation. So much for to big to fail.

Did it stop the bleeding? Too soon to tell. Just because we haven't experienced a total economic recovery isn't proof that it exacerbated the situation. Would we really be better off if GM went under? How about pre tarp? Would we better off without many of our major airlines?

As I age the resentment of losing Liberty grows. Yet on the other hand, I see it's becoming futile to discuss Liberty with my fellow citizens simply because they don't comprehend what it is. How many of my fellow Americans have a mom who lived under the rule of Hitler when he invaded her land? Or a father who survived two years of a prison camp overseen by the Kempeitai? My parents immigrated to Canada to escape socialism. Canada embraced socialism. So my parents moved to the US. The US embraced socialism. There is nowhere left to go.

Don't give up just yet. Vote every time you get the chance. America has experienced pendulum swings in ideological beliefs for many years, and if recent Tea Party success is any indicator, the pendulum is peaking on its left swing before it swings back to the right.

But what about you guys and gals? What about your children? And grand-children? A member proudly posts photos of his newborn child on the forum and as much as a blessing as it is... the reality is that she likely will never experience Liberty. She's already enslaved by the government and the debt that this Congress and past Congresses made without her being able to have a say in the matter. Will it be any different for her children? Me thinks not.

I think it can be different if future generations are educated properly. It is the responsibility of every parent to make sure their children receive an education without being completely dependent on a public school system.

And all around me are Americans who pay lip service to Freedom. Instead of voting for men and women who will stand by the rule of law as prescribed by the Constitution (itself a work of fallible man but it's the best we have), they concentrate on getting someone in who will advocate their personal agenda, be it gun rights, abortion, immigration, taxation, etc. Lost in the entire exercise of voting is the rule of law. And Liberty.

The "dumbing down" of our population and growing sense of dependence on government is an inevitable side effect of being governed by such a massive, bloated bureaucracy. It sucks, but there are still people fighting to fix it.

Anywayz, nothing I post matters. The reality is that freedom and Liberty are disappearing. It'll never be restored no matter what any of us say or do. Look around and see. Government has never been voted smaller in history. Our government is no exception to the reality of history.

Careful with that kind of talk. Before you know it you'll have a warrantless wire tap monitoring all your phone conversations, but it's ok because you have nothing to hide right? Sorry...I couldn't resist that one.

 

[dutchwrangler]

Yes, GM and every other business that can't make it should go under. In the business world it should be survival of the fittest.

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My point was that there was no authority under A1, S8 for the government to become involved in these issues. Just about every thing the government involves itself in goes to hell and screws everything associated with it. The law of unintended consequences comes into play each time. And the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Of course advocates of government involvement will point to the Commerce Clause without pointing out the historical context of what it means. See this: http://constitution.i2i.org/files/2010/09/Commerce-Clause.pdf as well as the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers.

Future generations are educated by the very government that is screwing all to pieces. Sorry, but I've never met a teacher who wasn't a socialist or who knew more than me about the history of this country and the Constitution. And that's not saying much as my knowledge is minimal even though it's a passion and hobby of mine. Parents themselves are a product of the same failed government operated education system. I'm not sure your hope will be realized.

Yeah... nothing to hide but that doesn't mean I don't want my privacy. At least you realize the right to privacy whereas most people chant that mantra without giving it any thought to it. Those people are fools.

Anywayz, I've beat this horse to death. I'm getting off this topic...

 

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[soonerwings]

Yes, GM and every other business that can't make it should go under. In the business world it should be survival of the fittest.

Partial agreement. However, I think our auto companies could make it if big government would get out of the way and let them operate profitably.

Sorry, but I've never met a teacher who wasn't a socialist or who knew more than me about the history of this country and the Constitution.

Agreed. I want to find every single teacher that responded to a critical question with "talk to me when you get a degree" and show them my degrees before asking them the same question again.