‘Stand your ground’ law protects shooter in deadly fight over parking space: sheriff

[dennishoddy]

Well older folks have all the time to beetch about everything! lol

That's a racist comment.
I'll have to beat you with my walker if you ever say that again.....

 

[dennishoddy]

you kids best STFU!

Hell ya!

 

[dennishoddy]

Black guy in a convenience store with a 5 yr old..... 2 kids and momma outside waiting..... I mean.... what else would they be doing, right? He has to be shoplifting. Excellent catch boys.

They did park in an illegal spot if not handicapped. It's a fine in Ok. Not a shootable offence though unless one wishes to escalate the situation.

 

[Billybob]

Well, Our Hero found the solution to recidivism, and maybe even hereditary criminality (an actual concept Oklahoma embraced at one time)!

Although it's a touchy and potentially slippery slope subject it's a very real concept accepted by many people around the world for some time, not just here. It certainly seems to have been invoked in the Supreme Ct. case of Buck v. Bell when Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, "if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind". This was when the court upheld involuntary sterilization.

Today in the midst of genetic research while still controversial it's accepted as a factor in criminality in many studies...
"In industrialized countries, the majority of all violent crime is committed by a relatively small group of antisocial recidivistic offenders,1,2 and more than 50% of severe antisocial behavior is attributable to genetic factors.3 The classic study by Mednick et al.,4 reported a significant correlation between adoptees and their biological parents for property crimes, but not for violent crimes. However, a recent study using an enormous Swedish nationwide adoption database with a long follow-up period found convincing evidence that the criminal records of biological parents predicted both violent and non-violent criminality among their adopted away children."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4776744/

Also notable is that genetics has been used in court as a mitigating factor to reduce punishment...
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128043329

I'm making no judgement on the subject, just pointing out it can't be automatically dismissed as a crack-pot theory embraced by a backward state.

 

[Billybob]

Spitballing here, but he could have driven straight up from the left in the video and just didn’t bother to drive around the corner of the sidewalk to the unrestricted spots.

Who knows, the woman was driving and for some reason according to the original article posted she lied about why she parked there.

 

[Billybob]

The internet is on fire with the subject of stand your ground laws being a racist license to kill black people and a bill has now been introduced to completely repeal Florida's.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/...d-florida-representative-shevrin-jone-9998333

 

[Dave70968]

Although it's a touchy and potentially slippery slope subject it's a very real concept accepted by many people around the world for some time, not just here. It certainly seems to have been invoked in the Supreme Ct. case of Buck v. Bell when Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, "if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind". This was when the court upheld involuntary sterilization.

Today in the midst of genetic research while still controversial it's accepted as a factor in criminality in many studies...
"In industrialized countries, the majority of all violent crime is committed by a relatively small group of antisocial recidivistic offenders,1,2 and more than 50% of severe antisocial behavior is attributable to genetic factors.3 The classic study by Mednick et al.,4 reported a significant correlation between adoptees and their biological parents for property crimes, but not for violent crimes. However, a recent study using an enormous Swedish nationwide adoption database with a long follow-up period found convincing evidence that the criminal records of biological parents predicted both violent and non-violent criminality among their adopted away children."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4776744/

Also notable is that genetics has been used in court as a mitigating factor to reduce punishment...
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128043329

I'm making no judgement on the subject, just pointing out it can't be automatically dismissed as a crack-pot theory embraced by a backward state.

And it was an Oklahoma case, Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942), that overruled Buck v. Bell as applied to punitive sterilization.

Let's leave eugenics for the progressives and the Nazis; it has no place in civilized societies.

 

[Billybob]

And it was an Oklahoma case, Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942), that overruled Buck v. Bell as applied to punitive sterilization.

Let's leave eugenics for the progressives and the Nazis; it has no place in civilized societies.

Really? It's my understanding that it hasn't been overturned, at least not completely.
In 2001, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit cited Buck v. Bell to protect the constitutional rights of a woman coerced into sterilization without procedural due process.[23] The court stated that error and abuse will result if the state does not follow the procedural requirements, established by Buck v. Bell, for performing an involuntary sterilization.

So was Holmes a Nazi because much of what I've seen says he wasn't really a progressive.

Back to the original subject, what about the studies showing links between genetics and crime? If there's enough to be used in court to help excuse criminals where do we draw the line in using it to the benefit of society? I know tough stuff and slippery slope but it appears we might be heading towards facing it. Some time back there was a discussion here about the financial and societal cost brought on by the changes in the treatment of the mentally ill, what happens when those cost push us towards changing things again?

 

[Frederick]

don't go around physically attacking people if you don't want to get shot. /end

most of us learn in grade school that violence is not an appropriate way to deal with things. if you behave like that, sooner or later you're going to shove the wrong guy and it won't turn out so well for you.

 

[Frederick]

And it was an Oklahoma case, Skinner v. State of Oklahoma, ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535 (1942), that overruled Buck v. Bell as applied to punitive sterilization.

Let's leave eugenics for the progressives and the Nazis; it has no place in civilized societies.

I disagree, after all, is it really civilized to allow the birth of deformed children? it's the same reason we as a society have banned incest. the victim in such a situation is the child, born with hereditary problems that could have been prevented. It's not like we don't have plenty of kids up for adoption in this country.