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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KurtM" data-source="post: 968657" data-attributes="member: 6064"><p>Um the "I quit" mechanisim is air in fluid out...the longer the wound channel the more of both...yes bird shot can and has killed...but most times it is less than rapid if at all. Much of this depends on the mind set of the target, I'm shot and so what compaired to I have been shot I have to die now. I have done quit a bit of testing and I feel #4 Buck is the MINIMUM...(I load up with full power 000)...but any good low recoil 00 is just ducky and isn't too prone to over penetrate....For home defense, the question that should be on your mind is that if a Bear came into my house what would I use....cause a good old meth/angleduster is a lot like that bear to stop....Let,s be safe out there! And as for over penetration....well a good plan wins hands down as people have said!</p></blockquote><p></p>