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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1674469"><p>What we are doing in getting more power from shotgun calibers</p><p>isn't super new or completely novel, most just </p><p>modernizing and improving older ideas..</p><p></p><p>In the early days; in my Greener's book he states that</p><p>gun with a rifled choke section of the barrel, called</p><p>12ga paradox shotgun/rifles, with slugs, heavier powder</p><p>charges than shot loads, could hold what amounted to</p><p>about 5 inch pattern at 100 yds.</p><p></p><p>And still had over 1800 ft lbs energy at 100yds.</p><p>And that is with guns with lighter, thinner barrels</p><p>than we have today, so our work is a good extension</p><p>of what the early big bore guys did.</p><p></p><p>And then 4bore for guys liking a big challenge, 4th picture.</p><p>Thanks to rattler on 24hr forum for the first 4 pics.</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1844.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1845.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1844.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1846.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Continuing-Many have success with all kinds of high-power slug designs and</p><p>with extra power, have pushed the reliable range of 12ga slugs/bullets</p><p>from 75 yds to 150+ yds. Even in the old days. Here is picture from a 1926</p><p>Manton catalog showing, 1st picture, many brass case old time slug loads.</p><p>Notice the 20 bore and 12 bore ones with pointed slugs, seems</p><p>as ideas to hotrod 20s and 12s are old hat, not quite as strong as 12ga FH</p><p>but as strong as some factory hotrod loads now ....We can do more</p><p>now due to better guns, powder selection, and accumulated research.</p><p> Picture #1 from lancaster and CptCurl on Nitroexpress.</p><p></p><p>2nd picture is from the Greener book, of double 8ga elephant guns.</p><p></p><p>2rd is picture of an early falling block for big bores</p><p>called the Field I think. Looks like some other</p><p>side levers, looks like lever works forward.</p><p></p><p>And speaking of falling blocks 4th picture is the</p><p>start or 'fixins' so to speak for the next step</p><p>up, for our 2bore. Same design as the 4 and 8</p><p>bores only wider.</p><p></p><p>We are now getting 2.25" OD barrel reamed</p><p>out to the two bore size.</p><p>And a square hole for breach block done</p><p>in that hunk of 4130 steel.Ed</p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/nitroexpress.info_ezine_CptCurlFiles_Paradox_and_Bore_Rifles_l5c71d380e883f72835074055914841f7.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr4.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_start2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1674469"] What we are doing in getting more power from shotgun calibers isn't super new or completely novel, most just modernizing and improving older ideas.. In the early days; in my Greener's book he states that gun with a rifled choke section of the barrel, called 12ga paradox shotgun/rifles, with slugs, heavier powder charges than shot loads, could hold what amounted to about 5 inch pattern at 100 yds. And still had over 1800 ft lbs energy at 100yds. And that is with guns with lighter, thinner barrels than we have today, so our work is a good extension of what the early big bore guys did. And then 4bore for guys liking a big challenge, 4th picture. Thanks to rattler on 24hr forum for the first 4 pics. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1844.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1845.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1844.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.photobucket.com_albums_v673_rattler_mt_Misc_20stuff_IMG_1846.jpg[/IMG] Continuing-Many have success with all kinds of high-power slug designs and with extra power, have pushed the reliable range of 12ga slugs/bullets from 75 yds to 150+ yds. Even in the old days. Here is picture from a 1926 Manton catalog showing, 1st picture, many brass case old time slug loads. Notice the 20 bore and 12 bore ones with pointed slugs, seems as ideas to hotrod 20s and 12s are old hat, not quite as strong as 12ga FH but as strong as some factory hotrod loads now ....We can do more now due to better guns, powder selection, and accumulated research. Picture #1 from lancaster and CptCurl on Nitroexpress. 2nd picture is from the Greener book, of double 8ga elephant guns. 2rd is picture of an early falling block for big bores called the Field I think. Looks like some other side levers, looks like lever works forward. And speaking of falling blocks 4th picture is the start or 'fixins' so to speak for the next step up, for our 2bore. Same design as the 4 and 8 bores only wider. We are now getting 2.25" OD barrel reamed out to the two bore size. And a square hole for breach block done in that hunk of 4130 steel.Ed [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/nitroexpress.info_ezine_CptCurlFiles_Paradox_and_Bore_Rifles_l5c71d380e883f72835074055914841f7.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr4.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_start2.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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