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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1675733"><p>Some more stuff from the old days---</p><p>First is picture sectioned Explora case and slug, showing how</p><p>they kept weight down so that it could be stepped up in</p><p>speed in older doubles, that didn't have real heavy barrels.</p><p>These guns had short section of rifling at the end</p><p>of the barrel or shallow rifling. THis allowed more speed</p><p>than old foster slugs which flattened the trajectory,</p><p>and along with rifling spin, allowed for longer range shooting.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Second picture from Greener book here, is of older 4 and </p><p>8 gauges.And you can see videos some of these great old</p><p>guns on Youtube.</p><p></p><p>Third picture shows steps of making 4bore case, one inch bore, </p><p>from 20mm. 2nd in picture is case with base turned and swaged</p><p>to size which leaves base smaller than rim, for rimmed case.</p><p>Then 3rd case has top expanded to take 1" diameter slug.</p><p>last shows the thickness and strength of finished case.</p><p>This case matches the turned 4bore case that Ken Owen had made</p><p>for the 4bore doubles he built.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_explora.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_make4.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>And more from the old days, here is picture of</p><p>a variety of slugs being promoted and used a century ago.</p><p>And 2nd picture Paradox cases old and new.Bottom one is a</p><p>more modern version sold by H&H for slug hunters.</p><p></p><p>3rd is what a 4bore slug, if stop framed so to speak, would</p><p>look just leaving the muzzle of the 4bore falling block</p><p>we built. Some 4bores were used in the old days but they were</p><p>poorly stocked and balanced for taming recoil. Ours with thick</p><p>pads, thumbhole stock, proper balance with 1500gr</p><p>slug at 2000 all our guys here can handle just fine..Ed</p><p></p><p> <img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> <img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_parcases.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_phbul.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1675733"] Some more stuff from the old days--- First is picture sectioned Explora case and slug, showing how they kept weight down so that it could be stepped up in speed in older doubles, that didn't have real heavy barrels. These guns had short section of rifling at the end of the barrel or shallow rifling. THis allowed more speed than old foster slugs which flattened the trajectory, and along with rifling spin, allowed for longer range shooting. Second picture from Greener book here, is of older 4 and 8 gauges.And you can see videos some of these great old guns on Youtube. Third picture shows steps of making 4bore case, one inch bore, from 20mm. 2nd in picture is case with base turned and swaged to size which leaves base smaller than rim, for rimmed case. Then 3rd case has top expanded to take 1" diameter slug. last shows the thickness and strength of finished case. This case matches the turned 4bore case that Ken Owen had made for the 4bore doubles he built. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_explora.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr3.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_make4.jpg[/IMG] And more from the old days, here is picture of a variety of slugs being promoted and used a century ago. And 2nd picture Paradox cases old and new.Bottom one is a more modern version sold by H&H for slug hunters. 3rd is what a 4bore slug, if stop framed so to speak, would look just leaving the muzzle of the 4bore falling block we built. Some 4bores were used in the old days but they were poorly stocked and balanced for taming recoil. Ours with thick pads, thumbhole stock, proper balance with 1500gr slug at 2000 all our guys here can handle just fine..Ed [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_gr1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_parcases.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_phbul.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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