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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1699921"><p>Here are some more sabot/slug and loading concepts.</p><p></p><p>First is Alcan 2.75" paper case with Dixie 600gr slug,</p><p>with the side of the case crimped into the relief/lube</p><p>groove of the Dixie slug.The groove in the Dixie isn't</p><p>quite as deep as the groove in the Fosbury slug shown</p><p>in earlier post, but still seems to crimp fairly tight.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_alcan.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Next are various slugs in 12ga REM sabots that take</p><p>57 cal slugs and bullets.Those sabots are from the REM</p><p>Accutip loadings. In picture you can see one of the</p><p>REM 385gr jkt bullets they use. Also is sabot </p><p>with 20ga cast Lyman. On right sabot with hardcast 585 cal</p><p>640gr lead bullet, the ones I use in my 585HE wildcat</p><p>case. I sized it down a little, perfect fit.</p><p>Also the .575 cal Dixie Gunworks lead slugs will do.</p><p></p><p>Also shown is a long pointed 55 Boys bullet in one,</p><p>fairly tight fit.We cut back .3" of bullet off so it </p><p>fit for length in sabot and is 750gr.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ls58.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Third are 3.5" brass and plastic with the REM sabot and</p><p>the 750gr pointed slugs in them.In all the sabot work we</p><p>and others have done, trying to get accuracy and high</p><p>speeds together, maybe there is such a thing as too</p><p>much plastic. IE, sabots too thick on the sides if doing</p><p>50cal or smaller in 12ga sabots, for heavier slugs </p><p>at high speeds. Thinner sides may discard more evenly at</p><p>the greater pressures and violence of high speeds.</p><p>Thin sides may have less give so that sabot grips slug</p><p>better to impart spin in rifled use. Example in</p><p>smoothbore use is the USS slugs, where the brass slug</p><p>is .629" with thin discarding petals that have proven to</p><p>be very accurate. And with both reasonable priced sabot</p><p>offerings the last few years being undersize, accuracy</p><p>problems, etc, maybe time to try something else.</p><p></p><p>Got to find whole bunch of these sabots. Are these pictured</p><p>12ga REMs the only 58cal ones around? I can't find others,</p><p>and maybe we can find where these are made. As I have</p><p>huge numbers of the 585 slugs, which by the way I think</p><p>is best hunting combination, without extremely heavy slugs</p><p>which suffer for the speeds needed for longer range use. </p><p>It is hard lead, good for big game.And my guy can make many, </p><p>many more if needed whether for 585HE rifles</p><p>or in sabots if we can find some.ED</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_55sabot.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1699921"] Here are some more sabot/slug and loading concepts. First is Alcan 2.75" paper case with Dixie 600gr slug, with the side of the case crimped into the relief/lube groove of the Dixie slug.The groove in the Dixie isn't quite as deep as the groove in the Fosbury slug shown in earlier post, but still seems to crimp fairly tight. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_alcan.jpg[/IMG] Next are various slugs in 12ga REM sabots that take 57 cal slugs and bullets.Those sabots are from the REM Accutip loadings. In picture you can see one of the REM 385gr jkt bullets they use. Also is sabot with 20ga cast Lyman. On right sabot with hardcast 585 cal 640gr lead bullet, the ones I use in my 585HE wildcat case. I sized it down a little, perfect fit. Also the .575 cal Dixie Gunworks lead slugs will do. Also shown is a long pointed 55 Boys bullet in one, fairly tight fit.We cut back .3" of bullet off so it fit for length in sabot and is 750gr. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ls58.jpg[/IMG] Third are 3.5" brass and plastic with the REM sabot and the 750gr pointed slugs in them.In all the sabot work we and others have done, trying to get accuracy and high speeds together, maybe there is such a thing as too much plastic. IE, sabots too thick on the sides if doing 50cal or smaller in 12ga sabots, for heavier slugs at high speeds. Thinner sides may discard more evenly at the greater pressures and violence of high speeds. Thin sides may have less give so that sabot grips slug better to impart spin in rifled use. Example in smoothbore use is the USS slugs, where the brass slug is .629" with thin discarding petals that have proven to be very accurate. And with both reasonable priced sabot offerings the last few years being undersize, accuracy problems, etc, maybe time to try something else. Got to find whole bunch of these sabots. Are these pictured 12ga REMs the only 58cal ones around? I can't find others, and maybe we can find where these are made. As I have huge numbers of the 585 slugs, which by the way I think is best hunting combination, without extremely heavy slugs which suffer for the speeds needed for longer range use. It is hard lead, good for big game.And my guy can make many, many more if needed whether for 585HE rifles or in sabots if we can find some.ED [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_55sabot.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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