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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1729423"><p>Some more 12ga sabot work. The sabots in first picture are</p><p>like ones we want to get made for reloading.</p><p>They have 440gr Dixie Gunworks muzzleloading minie slug. </p><p>I related earlier that 3 shots with these in heavy rifled</p><p>barrel NEF got them all in nearly the same hole, at 30 yds.</p><p>Also 4 shots same distance, a 3 inch best group, smooth barrel.</p><p>The slight hollow base helps with smooth barrel. The hollow</p><p>base isn't as deep say as a 12ga foster slug.Another one they</p><p>have, a little heavier, with little deeper hollow base should </p><p>make tighter group. Loads in 3.5" plastic going about 2200.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dixie.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Second picture shows something new I found out.It shows two</p><p>different wad setups. When I took the REM Accutip loads apart</p><p>I notice they used a thick seal, old style white felt cushion.</p><p>All the tests I read about that factory load, says it is always</p><p>near the top in accuracy. I had used the BPGS and flexseal </p><p>cushion mostly, as it seals real good. But in the smoothbore</p><p>test above the thick seal and felt wad gave the 3" group and</p><p>the other wad setup 5". The smoothbore, which isn't a perfect</p><p>system, for slugs not designed for smooth, worked out to show </p><p>and magnify difference between the two wad setups..</p><p></p><p>What first clued me in on this, to make a check, was recent </p><p>weeks research on net,on all sabot patents, where I read that</p><p>sometimes plastic cushions cock a little affecting accuracy.</p><p>That is the plastic cushions with a lot of space in them.</p><p>Where the felt/fiber cushions stay much more stable for a bigger </p><p>percentage of shots.The very accurate Hornady SST sabot has no</p><p>cushion at all between seal and sabot, but a thin rubber cushion</p><p>disc inside their sabot, and the above may be one reason.</p><p>The Federal Fusion sabots and the Federal Expander sabot</p><p>both are accurate--they don't have a wide open plastic cushion.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58wads.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Third picture is of a Greener Martini slug gun a guy rigged up</p><p>with a heavy rifled bull barrel in 12ga. Great looking gun.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_martinislug.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Finally thoughts about all of our posts on many forums(110)</p><p>around the net. We are very happy with the response and help</p><p>we get doing this. We feel this thread a positive boon and help</p><p>to shooters interested in big bores, and by venturing into</p><p>the big bore areas will promote more guys getting into shooting,</p><p>reloading, smithing, etc. And a measure of interest are the views.</p><p>All sites including a big picture site, have about 9 million views.</p><p>And also we congratulate the 24hr Campfire Big Bore as being</p><p>being the first with our regular 12ga FH thread to go</p><p>over 200,000 views.Next is the Highroad with nearly 150,000,</p><p>third is the Firingline with nearly 125,000, 4th Accurate</p><p>Reloading 112,000, and 5th WeaponsForum 106,000.ED</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1729423"] Some more 12ga sabot work. The sabots in first picture are like ones we want to get made for reloading. They have 440gr Dixie Gunworks muzzleloading minie slug. I related earlier that 3 shots with these in heavy rifled barrel NEF got them all in nearly the same hole, at 30 yds. Also 4 shots same distance, a 3 inch best group, smooth barrel. The slight hollow base helps with smooth barrel. The hollow base isn't as deep say as a 12ga foster slug.Another one they have, a little heavier, with little deeper hollow base should make tighter group. Loads in 3.5" plastic going about 2200. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dixie.jpg[/IMG] Second picture shows something new I found out.It shows two different wad setups. When I took the REM Accutip loads apart I notice they used a thick seal, old style white felt cushion. All the tests I read about that factory load, says it is always near the top in accuracy. I had used the BPGS and flexseal cushion mostly, as it seals real good. But in the smoothbore test above the thick seal and felt wad gave the 3" group and the other wad setup 5". The smoothbore, which isn't a perfect system, for slugs not designed for smooth, worked out to show and magnify difference between the two wad setups.. What first clued me in on this, to make a check, was recent weeks research on net,on all sabot patents, where I read that sometimes plastic cushions cock a little affecting accuracy. That is the plastic cushions with a lot of space in them. Where the felt/fiber cushions stay much more stable for a bigger percentage of shots.The very accurate Hornady SST sabot has no cushion at all between seal and sabot, but a thin rubber cushion disc inside their sabot, and the above may be one reason. The Federal Fusion sabots and the Federal Expander sabot both are accurate--they don't have a wide open plastic cushion. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58wads.jpg[/IMG] Third picture is of a Greener Martini slug gun a guy rigged up with a heavy rifled bull barrel in 12ga. Great looking gun. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_martinislug.jpg[/IMG] Finally thoughts about all of our posts on many forums(110) around the net. We are very happy with the response and help we get doing this. We feel this thread a positive boon and help to shooters interested in big bores, and by venturing into the big bore areas will promote more guys getting into shooting, reloading, smithing, etc. And a measure of interest are the views. All sites including a big picture site, have about 9 million views. And also we congratulate the 24hr Campfire Big Bore as being being the first with our regular 12ga FH thread to go over 200,000 views.Next is the Highroad with nearly 150,000, third is the Firingline with nearly 125,000, 4th Accurate Reloading 112,000, and 5th WeaponsForum 106,000.ED [/QUOTE]
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