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12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH; 585HE/700HE; Other Big Bores---
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<blockquote data-quote="hubel585" data-source="post: 1756044"><p>The sabots we are working with, take at least 15 different</p><p>58cal cast slugs for good fit, with the OD measurement of</p><p>sabot at .733" with all of them in. There are 5 Dixie </p><p>Gunworks MZ slugs, 6 slugs from Lyman moulds I know of.</p><p>Five slugs from Lee moulds.These are mainly muzzleloading</p><p>slugs and can be cast varying hardnesses.</p><p></p><p>Examples-58cal (.575"- .578")</p><p>Lee molds for 500gr, 460 gr, 350gr, etc, slugs</p><p>Dixie Gunworks slugs of 440gr, 375gr, 490gr, etc, weights.</p><p>Lyman 530gr, 510 gr, 460gr, 400gr, 315gr, etc.</p><p>And they are all good slugs at a saving especially</p><p>when folks cast their own.</p><p></p><p>I'm getting out info on these to see if any reloading</p><p>suppliers will try to get some made, so we will have a</p><p>quality, proper OD size sabot, to reload with.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dixie.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>From the research on sabot patents and testing by various</p><p>of our readers, the sabots can't be undersize, or accuracy</p><p>at high speeds isn't possible. I get questions about how</p><p>to reload them for accurate fast loads in plastic cases</p><p>for regular hunting and target use. Have to tell them we need</p><p>to have proper OD size sabot.. Most want sabot loads and not</p><p>fullbore cast....Why; they want lighter for less recoil in </p><p>regular weight guns, they figure smaller slugs cheaper,</p><p>they won't have leading with sabots if using cast, don't </p><p>have to lube and don't need gas checks if cast, cast slugs</p><p>for sabot use cheaper than jacketed. These parameters cover</p><p>a lot of shotgun only deer hunters trying to afford doing</p><p>their own loads, trying to be as accurate as expensive</p><p> factory sabot stuff and hoping the savings will allow much</p><p>more shooting.In the 1st is 440gr 58cal Dixie, and second,</p><p>one I like better a 510gr from Lyman mould. Third slug from</p><p>a Lee 460gr 58cal mould. 4th is various 58cal slug ideas.</p><p>Behind are Lyman and Lee 58cal molds. Got more coming of</p><p>different 58cal weights, clear down to 315gr. My casting</p><p>friend will get them and as soon a we get somebody making</p><p>the sabot, he can aid the cause by making slugs.</p><p>Some of the Lyman and Lee slugs are more streamlined than</p><p>modst big bore rifle bullets as you can see in picture.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dif.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Here is picture of a nice Armi San Marco 20ga break action</p><p>we found, that we're testing loads in. I really like</p><p>the style of this gun. I'm going to have extra barrel setup,</p><p>an extra heavy 585cal barrel and put my long 585HE in it,</p><p>to go along the other 585HE single shots 585HEs we have</p><p>setup on NEFs, and CBCs.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_cva20.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>Here is a picture of nice Greener Martini 12ga, with new stock,</p><p>and a heavy rifled bull barrel, a fellow redid. </p><p>Such great work. And very accurate. All these guns need like</p><p>all singleshots, including break actions, are heavy barrels</p><p>and they shoot great and are easy to shoot with the</p><p>extra weight.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_450greener.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hubel585, post: 1756044"] The sabots we are working with, take at least 15 different 58cal cast slugs for good fit, with the OD measurement of sabot at .733" with all of them in. There are 5 Dixie Gunworks MZ slugs, 6 slugs from Lyman moulds I know of. Five slugs from Lee moulds.These are mainly muzzleloading slugs and can be cast varying hardnesses. Examples-58cal (.575"- .578") Lee molds for 500gr, 460 gr, 350gr, etc, slugs Dixie Gunworks slugs of 440gr, 375gr, 490gr, etc, weights. Lyman 530gr, 510 gr, 460gr, 400gr, 315gr, etc. And they are all good slugs at a saving especially when folks cast their own. I'm getting out info on these to see if any reloading suppliers will try to get some made, so we will have a quality, proper OD size sabot, to reload with. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dixie.jpg[/IMG] From the research on sabot patents and testing by various of our readers, the sabots can't be undersize, or accuracy at high speeds isn't possible. I get questions about how to reload them for accurate fast loads in plastic cases for regular hunting and target use. Have to tell them we need to have proper OD size sabot.. Most want sabot loads and not fullbore cast....Why; they want lighter for less recoil in regular weight guns, they figure smaller slugs cheaper, they won't have leading with sabots if using cast, don't have to lube and don't need gas checks if cast, cast slugs for sabot use cheaper than jacketed. These parameters cover a lot of shotgun only deer hunters trying to afford doing their own loads, trying to be as accurate as expensive factory sabot stuff and hoping the savings will allow much more shooting.In the 1st is 440gr 58cal Dixie, and second, one I like better a 510gr from Lyman mould. Third slug from a Lee 460gr 58cal mould. 4th is various 58cal slug ideas. Behind are Lyman and Lee 58cal molds. Got more coming of different 58cal weights, clear down to 315gr. My casting friend will get them and as soon a we get somebody making the sabot, he can aid the cause by making slugs. Some of the Lyman and Lee slugs are more streamlined than modst big bore rifle bullets as you can see in picture. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_12ga58dif.jpg[/IMG] Here is picture of a nice Armi San Marco 20ga break action we found, that we're testing loads in. I really like the style of this gun. I'm going to have extra barrel setup, an extra heavy 585cal barrel and put my long 585HE in it, to go along the other 585HE single shots 585HEs we have setup on NEFs, and CBCs. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_cva20.jpg[/IMG] Here is a picture of nice Greener Martini 12ga, with new stock, and a heavy rifled bull barrel, a fellow redid. Such great work. And very accurate. All these guns need like all singleshots, including break actions, are heavy barrels and they shoot great and are easy to shoot with the extra weight. [IMG]https://www.okshooters.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/www.gunownerstv.com_450greener.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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