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<blockquote data-quote="trekrok" data-source="post: 3686964" data-attributes="member: 6668">I&#039;m not for single payor yet, but I totally get where [USER=11114]@tiasman[/USER] is coming from. It&#039;s so broken, it&#039;s hard to see any fix.&nbsp; There is a huge no-mans land where people make too much for soonercare&nbsp; or subsidies and too little to afford the crappy policies available now with obamacare.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s been largely successful in its goal of grinding the fight out of a chunk of us on single payor, which was their ultimate plan anyway.I paid about ~$900 month for cobra from my last job in 2014. Far from cheap, but it was decent insurance, ie seems like it had a $1k deductible and paid 80/20 and so on. You could actually use it if needed, and included dental.&nbsp; Now, the cheapest available is $1400 month and it literally pays nothing until I&#039;m out of pocket another $8700 AT LEAST, and up to $17k for the family.Another fun part is I haven&#039;t been to a doctor in I don&#039;t remember how long.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="trekrok, post: 3686964, member: 6668"] I'm not for single payor yet, but I totally get where [USER=11114]@tiasman[/USER] is coming from. It's so broken, it's hard to see any fix. There is a huge no-mans land where people make too much for soonercare or subsidies and too little to afford the crappy policies available now with obamacare. I think it's been largely successful in its goal of grinding the fight out of a chunk of us on single payor, which was their ultimate plan anyway. I paid about ~$900 month for cobra from my last job in 2014. Far from cheap, but it was decent insurance, ie seems like it had a $1k deductible and paid 80/20 and so on. You could actually use it if needed, and included dental. Now, the cheapest available is $1400 month and it literally pays nothing until I'm out of pocket another $8700 AT LEAST, and up to $17k for the family. Another fun part is I haven't been to a doctor in I don't remember how long. [/QUOTE]

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