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Message: <blockquote data-quote="okieshooter777" data-source="post: 4368299" data-attributes="member: 14235">i said the same thing, BUT my oldest daughter has at least 15 deer with it. originally used the wichester super x soft point cheap ammo, never lost a deer. we since have switched to Barnes NOSLER 223 .. to be honest i have almost decided to get me a .223/556 for my primary deer gun. put it where it should it kills them quick. My daughter was also 9 when she killed her first with it, and of course using a shooting stick. she weighed maybe 60 pounds lol,, anything bigger and she would of been too scared to shoot and not flinch.we also hunt small properties, we had her biggest buck go 600+ yards, had to get permission to cross several boundries, it was an awkward shot she had to make and hit in the neck.. finally found him still alive and she put him down... but it wasnt the calibers fault.we built a 6.5 grendel for my middle daughter and she is killing deer with it, another non kicking caliber.</blockquote>