27th series Tokyo Juki Kogyo

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Heres my Jap rifle. Its a 27th series TJK substitute standard rifle in all her crudeness.
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So how's it shoot?
Shoots very good. All Arisaka's shoot quite well and hardly ever have issues like German K98's like cracking, bad bedded stocks or recoil lug setback. The 7.7 is a great round that doesn't punish the shoulder too bad.

Love the rifle.
Don't appreciate the use of word "Jap", if you want to learn about history - do it in respectful way.

I've respectfully collected Type 99s for a few years now. To me its just an abbreviation. I meant no offense. No different than the "Jerries" calling us "Ami" or the British calling us "yanks". And I read the Wiki link. It really didn't make a good argument for the term being derogatory. I have however heard my Grandfather's(both PTO vets) use it in derogatory fashion but the adjectives surrounding it seemed to make it so. But I will not use it again and I apologize to those who I've offended.
 

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Love the rifle.
Don't appreciate the use of word "Jap", if you want to learn about history - do it in respectful way.

He was referring to the Country not a person or people so its kinda silly to repremand upon that. Im sure many more people are offended by your MUTHAF%#&ER avatar than by him shortening the Country name for his post.


Back on topic: Nice Rifle, love the wood buttplate.
 

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He was referring to the Country not a person or people so its kinda silly to repremand upon that. Im sure many more people are offended by your MUTHAF%#&ER avatar than by him shortening the Country name for his post.

My avatar is intended to be "offensive", OP's post wasn't - it was an honest slip up. You on the other hand, are trying somehow to rationalize a use of racial slur. In modern English abbreviation for Japan is JPN; "Jap" has one and only one meaning - and it is derogatory towards people of Japanese descent. It's no different than many other slurs that you know, but not dare to use.

This is a public forum - are we trying to be publicly ignorant or publicly racist?
 

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Love the rifle.
Don't appreciate the use of word "Jap", if you want to learn about history - do it in respectful way.

The caliber that rifle shoots is commonly referred to as 7.7 JAP. I have seen Ammunition manufacturers refer to it that way and see most die sets labeled as such. Personally I don't think the OP was taking a jab at a certain group of people just describing a rifle in a standard and common way. While we are speaking of being offended I AM one of those people offended by your avatar. I personally know and like a Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran who was shot in the back by one or your "lead farmers" and is 100% disabled because of it.
 

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The caliber that rifle shoots is commonly referred to as 7.7 JAP. I have seen Ammunition manufacturers refer to it that way and see most die sets labeled as such.
You are right - Hornady does it describing the caliber.
Has it been around since the 40s - yes.
Does it make it "common" - no.
Was the word used in this thread to describe a caliber - no.
Was it used to describe an origin - YES.

Personally I don't think the OP was taking a jab at a certain group of people just describing a rifle in a standard and common way.
I don't think OP meant it either - it doesn't change the fact what the word means, even if it is "standard and common way" in some circles - I don't belong to those circles nor should gun community be portrayed as such.


While we are speaking of being offended I AM one of those people offended by your avatar. I personally know and like a Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran who was shot in the back by one or your "lead farmers" and is 100% disabled because of it.
If a white dude (Robert Downey Jr), in his "black" persona, dressed as vietnamese farmer using a phrase coined in 2008 comedy offends you .... well too freaking bad.

Just because you know and like someone - doesn't put you in their shoes. The way you used "lead farmer" to describe people of Vietnam in a derogatory way is a RACIAL SLUR - this is too embarrassing as it went from bad to ugly.

And if I really want to read into what you are typing there - what exactly do you mean "by one of your lead farmers": I'm of Russian descent, Russians were supporting Viet Cong during the war - so somehow I am PERSONALLY responsible for your friend's tragedy? I'm going to go ahead and take offense to that. Thanks.
 
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.... well too freaking bad.

To those offended by the use of the word 'Jap' as a very non-specific descriptor: quit sucking your thumb. The OP meant no butthurt, and that is plainly obvious.

It's not about racism any more than 'Leadfarmer' is... somehow unless we're talking about a comedy, then it is magically exempt from being offensive. What a joke.
 

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