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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Freedom@AnyCost" data-source="post: 2195954" data-attributes="member: 29628">That is the reasoning often sighted by the left wing of "The Party" anyway. The form of Militia that existed at the time is now extinct, so too should be the 2nd Amendment according to the "Logic". Perhaps the same logic should be applied to the 1st, how long has it been since "Speech" has been conducted utilizing a printing "Press". Look at all the violence and death resulting from modern high capacity communication of hate speech. Our founders never imagined modern communication technology. They would be horrified to see the worldwide carnage it has caused (Libya attack because of one man's video for example).Same with "Assembly", with modern technology people don't need to assemble in large groups to communicate, or anything else for that matter. They can watch it on TV from the safety of the home (where it will be free of anything "Offensive, Dangerous or Hurtful"). Besides, it is dangerous to have more than TEN people assembled in one place. Our founders never could have imagined a population of 300 million + people! They would be horrified to see the number of people trampled to death and burned alive as a result of too many people assembled in a single location. If we could save even one life...Isn't it interesting, we ALL recognize how childish (illogical) this logic is when applied to the first Amendment, but somehow it has a foot hold on the Second for many people. Are they stupid or is it something else? While for some, it may indeed be the former, for most it is the latter. When everyone around you agrees 2+2=5, so too will you. For example, how many of us believe Pit Bulls (with their "Lock Jaws") are INHERENTLY more dangerous than other breeds of similar size or strength or that Marijuana (the "Gateway" drug) prohibition is a good idea? News flash, 2+2=4, Pit Bulls are no more "Inherently" dangerous than any other breed of equal size and power, and Marijuana prohibition (the entire drug war for that matter) is every bit as bad an idea as was alcohol prohibition for the EXACT same reasons. We believe these things for the same reason Orwell's characters believed 2+2=5 in the novel 1984 - because that is the silly logical fallacy we have been taught all our lives. As with any good logical fallacy, there are elements of truth mixed in with all the BS which is what makes the logical fallacy so easy to believe. In other words, we have been trained to believe correlation = causation which is rarely ever true. We even tell our children, "Do / believe it because I said so." What are we teaching them from a very young age? To accept direction from authority without question and to ignore contradictory information. Your parents, and later on, the leaders of your social groups and the Government know what is best for you so there is no need to learn to think and process information on your own. Sure, your niece may have been attacked by your brothers Pit Bull while your he was was zoned out on the couch high on weed, but do a few anecdotal stories played over and over again in the media make the overall narrative true? If so, maybe the Second Amendment Abolitionists are right....... But the correct answer is hell no. People believe these ridiculous things because we are socialized from a young age to do so. If you have fallen for the Pit Bull or Drug War nonsense, you now understand how "They" can believe all this gun control nonsense. I know some of you are reading this and trying to come up with a rebuttal on Pit Bulls and/or the Drug War comparisons, but it's time to let go of the dogma and snap into reality. If you can't do it, how can you expect them to? With that knowledge, perhaps better methods can be developed to eliminate the ignorance behind the gun control movement. One thing that has been proven not to ever work, name calling and cheap personal shots. Those play well for the choir, but get us nowhere when it comes to winning over the minds potential converts - logical people who listen to facts and reason over anecdotal stories rich with emotion but void of logic. One last tidbit for all the drug war crusaders out there, this little gem (The Drug War) is what created much of the violence in our society that is now being blamed on firearms (exactly same as alcohol prohibition resulting in 1934 legislation). It also socialized us all to believe violating "Their" constitutional rights was okay because it makes us safer. It justified massive increases in the criminal justice system for what amounts to political crimes (victimless crime is a clever euphemism for political crime). The monster we created and fed with our blind support, tacit complicity and blatant disregard for the Constitution when it came to "Those People" is now slowly but surely being redirected towards us all. As they say, what goes around, comes around.</blockquote>

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