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<blockquote data-quote="MadDawg" data-source="post: 1161396" data-attributes="member: 11627"><p>Lots of interesting comments here.</p><p></p><p>The 308 is not inherently more accurate. The Army didnt want to go whole hog into the AR types and opted to reduce the 30/06 into a slightly better handling rifle. Thats how the 308 was born.</p><p></p><p>Both the 30/06 and 308 can be tweeked to be .5 to .25 moa accurate/precision/what the cool word is these days.</p><p></p><p>Snipers didnt push the 308 over the 30/06, the military dropped the 30 aught n the snipers followed.</p><p></p><p>Beanfield rifles and the caliber/cartridge they 'need'. My best one shot dropped it buck was 486 yards with a 308. no need to rum or mag it. Just learn to range guess and read wind.</p><p></p><p>Lots of variables in the what range can the ________ go to. Nice long barrel or short handy carbine. 168/178/190 grain boattail. how much training does the shooter have?</p><p></p><p>On days when the 308 is a 50/50 at 1000 the 300 wm is 90%. Know the rifle, know the cartridge, know your limitations.</p><p></p><p>Can say one thing about the wieght of ammo. It doesnt matter to the grunt, he'll carry as much as he can get his hands on. To the mule under the ruck effective ammo beats lots that dont seem to have an immediate effect on target.</p><p></p><p>Sooooo- wounding one so 4 will carry him isnt what a grunt wants. We are trained to ignore our fallen buddies in the assault waves, the follow-up wave does evac- mission first guys. Casualities would be far worse if the assault falters because the assault troops stop and render aid. Its a cold cruel world.</p><p></p><p> What our 11B wants is one dead dude per bullet, maybe a three round burst per dead enemy hero.</p><p></p><p>If you want a flatter than 'name the round' you end up chasing your tail. there are barrel burning cartridges coming out every week. pick one you can handle the recoil often enough to have good practise sessions and dont worry what the guy next to you has.</p><p></p><p>Nice cartridges for long range hunting are plentiful. 7mm nonmagnums are great. 6.5 running no longer than 57mm case length with the proper bullet can be a most excellent beanfield round.</p><p></p><p>Dont overthink it.</p><p></p><p>From a racoon at 220 yards to a buck just under 500 to steel at 1000 I use the 308. </p><p></p><p>There are two roads to travel, one buys skill and one develops it. The first road is a five lane highway, the other the path less taken but those you meet on it are worth a visit.</p><p></p><p>But if the story starts, "So there I was and this is no ****..." take it with a grain of salt <img src="/images/smilies/wink2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink2 :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MadDawg, post: 1161396, member: 11627"] Lots of interesting comments here. The 308 is not inherently more accurate. The Army didnt want to go whole hog into the AR types and opted to reduce the 30/06 into a slightly better handling rifle. Thats how the 308 was born. Both the 30/06 and 308 can be tweeked to be .5 to .25 moa accurate/precision/what the cool word is these days. Snipers didnt push the 308 over the 30/06, the military dropped the 30 aught n the snipers followed. Beanfield rifles and the caliber/cartridge they 'need'. My best one shot dropped it buck was 486 yards with a 308. no need to rum or mag it. Just learn to range guess and read wind. Lots of variables in the what range can the ________ go to. Nice long barrel or short handy carbine. 168/178/190 grain boattail. how much training does the shooter have? On days when the 308 is a 50/50 at 1000 the 300 wm is 90%. Know the rifle, know the cartridge, know your limitations. Can say one thing about the wieght of ammo. It doesnt matter to the grunt, he'll carry as much as he can get his hands on. To the mule under the ruck effective ammo beats lots that dont seem to have an immediate effect on target. Sooooo- wounding one so 4 will carry him isnt what a grunt wants. We are trained to ignore our fallen buddies in the assault waves, the follow-up wave does evac- mission first guys. Casualities would be far worse if the assault falters because the assault troops stop and render aid. Its a cold cruel world. What our 11B wants is one dead dude per bullet, maybe a three round burst per dead enemy hero. If you want a flatter than 'name the round' you end up chasing your tail. there are barrel burning cartridges coming out every week. pick one you can handle the recoil often enough to have good practise sessions and dont worry what the guy next to you has. Nice cartridges for long range hunting are plentiful. 7mm nonmagnums are great. 6.5 running no longer than 57mm case length with the proper bullet can be a most excellent beanfield round. Dont overthink it. From a racoon at 220 yards to a buck just under 500 to steel at 1000 I use the 308. There are two roads to travel, one buys skill and one develops it. The first road is a five lane highway, the other the path less taken but those you meet on it are worth a visit. But if the story starts, "So there I was and this is no ****..." take it with a grain of salt :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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