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<blockquote data-quote="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow" data-source="post: 1161701" data-attributes="member: 7123"><p>Deadeyedick, the answer of course (for your long range issue) is "better" - BUT <em><strong>you are asking the wrong question</strong></em>! So there's no way you can get a "good" answer.</p><p></p><p>A 6.5-284 Norma or 6.5x55 vastly outperforms even the .300 Win mag at 1,000 yards, and - <em><strong>AND</strong></em>, it has a lot less recoil & blast and uses less ammo / component / cost in doing it. It's win-win. .30 cal cartridges are lose-lose.</p><p></p><p>Reason being that once you get up to a decent BC in .300, you're looking at a 210 grainer, or at least a 190, and that's so big that you lose way more vel than the BC can make up for. But a 139 grain Berger, Scenar, or SMK out of a 6.5mm going fast (say, 2850+), with their outstanding BCs, smokes any .300 once you get out to 1K yards or beyond. Pretty much any 7mm round is also ditto.</p><p></p><p>If you're asking about ANY cartridge that uses a .308 bullet, then you're asking the wrong question, if your goal is superior long range performance. You pretty much have to go all the way to a big .338 (lapua or RUM) to best the 6.5s and 7mms out past 1000 yards; really even past 800. In my opinion. And that of people who really ARE experts (unlike me).</p><p></p><p>Go read the works of Zak Smith and other 'practical long-range' competitors, who do amazing things with .260 Rem at long range, easily besting .308**, and .260 is *slow* compared to a beefed up 6.5x55, 6.5-284, 6.6-'06 AI, etc.</p><p></p><p>**In the two key components of very long and extreme range shooting, once you get an extemely accurate rig, and obtain some skill: (a) minimizing wind drift estimation error, and (b) minimizing distance estimation and thus holdover/scope click error.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, post: 1161701, member: 7123"] Deadeyedick, the answer of course (for your long range issue) is "better" - BUT [I][B]you are asking the wrong question[/B][/I]! So there's no way you can get a "good" answer. A 6.5-284 Norma or 6.5x55 vastly outperforms even the .300 Win mag at 1,000 yards, and - [I][B]AND[/B][/I], it has a lot less recoil & blast and uses less ammo / component / cost in doing it. It's win-win. .30 cal cartridges are lose-lose. Reason being that once you get up to a decent BC in .300, you're looking at a 210 grainer, or at least a 190, and that's so big that you lose way more vel than the BC can make up for. But a 139 grain Berger, Scenar, or SMK out of a 6.5mm going fast (say, 2850+), with their outstanding BCs, smokes any .300 once you get out to 1K yards or beyond. Pretty much any 7mm round is also ditto. If you're asking about ANY cartridge that uses a .308 bullet, then you're asking the wrong question, if your goal is superior long range performance. You pretty much have to go all the way to a big .338 (lapua or RUM) to best the 6.5s and 7mms out past 1000 yards; really even past 800. In my opinion. And that of people who really ARE experts (unlike me). Go read the works of Zak Smith and other 'practical long-range' competitors, who do amazing things with .260 Rem at long range, easily besting .308**, and .260 is *slow* compared to a beefed up 6.5x55, 6.5-284, 6.6-'06 AI, etc. **In the two key components of very long and extreme range shooting, once you get an extemely accurate rig, and obtain some skill: (a) minimizing wind drift estimation error, and (b) minimizing distance estimation and thus holdover/scope click error. [/QUOTE]
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