5 Clues that Training is Not Realistic

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Michael Brown

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I think the Galco Concealable is one of the best choices. Its a good balance of accesibility and security.

If the gun is going to be concealed, I would recommend an open top leather holster or preferably a leather IWB.

My choices go in this order:

1) Leather IWB
2) Kydex IWB
3) Leather OWB open-top
4) Leather OWB thumb-break
5) Kydex OWB

As far as class order goes, all our classes are designed in no particular order.

However if you already have some basic combat marksmanship training, you will probably benefit most from the CQT course.

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I almost always carry the Milt Sparks Summer Special 2.

On occasion, church or something, where I prefer slacks that don't wear well with an IWB, I will wear a Galco Avenger since the angle of draw is pretty similar to the SS2.

If I'm going to the gym, I will wear a fanny pack if we're not doing weapons work, or if we are, I'll just wear what I normally carry.

I try to avoid pocket holsters at all costs.

At work we are all mandated to wear the Safariland 070 SS3. I have no complaints about it whatsoever as a duty holster. I'm not fond of its plainclothes counterpart the 0701. Its a great idea but the design doesn't work IMO.

I definitely have a preference for leather holsters for carry because of retention issues.

I think the Sidearmor IWB will work fine but I find kydex IWB uncomfortable. But that's purely a personal preference not a technical issue.

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I don't own a G21.

We are issued the G22C and its what I carry all the time.

If I had my druthers, I'd use the standard non-compensated version but I don't get to make that decision.

The only time I will carry differently is if I go home to the People's Socialist Republic of Massachusetts where magazines over 10 rounds are illegal and I carry my G27.

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That's such B.S.!
You mean even a police officer is limited to 10 rd mags?

The phrase "hell in a handbasket" comes to mind.
 

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Does your training/trainer prepare you for that moment when some "animal" decides to take what it wants from you and/or yours? The original theme of this thread, as I took it, concerned realistic training.... survival training.

Really, we're all just a blink of an eye away from the stone-age. You know, "dog eat dog", "kill or be killed", "survival of the fittest", "fight or flight"..none of the constraints of civilization....

So how are you going to handle things when you're jacked up as you leave Starbucks, mocha-latte' in one hand, fumbling for keys with the other, and your cell phone tucked under your chin? ....or, you're slammed against the urinal wall while your hands are otherwise occupied?

The best case would be "no response necessary because you would have anticipated/avoided worst case and not pinned that big target on your back." Failing best case, now what do you do??

Just something to think about next time you're at the range....or Starbucks.....or taking a leak ............
 

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RDS you make all good points.. As anyone with sense will agree. The best option is avoidance and do not put youself in a situation where you may be harmed. The second thing is sometimes bad things happen to good people. So you can never be to prepared. While I find carring at home a bit overkill lots of people do it. As for people like Michael training for these scenarios. I can think of no one better suited for this type of training than law enforcement. I have seen all to often the small budgets that go to training LEOs for physical confrontations. Instead its wasted on political crap/corectness training and such. Just like the officer that was killed a few weeks back that had a gun jam or something. Was it a training issue? Only one person knows but I promise you more training could have only helped in that situation.
 

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Mike Brown wrote:

[I]If you haven't seen your kydex holster fail in ten years, my guess is you haven't been training very hard with it. That means hard wrestling where you are picked up and deposited hard on the ground and continued to fight from there. It means being punched in the face and disoriented prior to a clinched gun grab or takedown.

Nobody, that I know of, is doing this type of training in this immediate area on a wide-scale basis and only a handful are doing it anywhere. If you have trained with someone who is, consider yourself fortunate.

However if you had, and I am not trying to be condescending or arrogant, but you probably would already have seen the answer firsthand.[/I]



I am a legal, civilian, concealed carrier. My best guess is that when I'm involved in a weapon retention bug tussle, chances are best that it will involve an already drawn handgun. I don't discount the possibility of a fight over a holstered handgun, I just see a fight over a handgun IN MY HANDS as the most probable. I spend the majority of my training time and efforts on what I think is most probable. Yep, we have trained and rassled pretty hard over dummy handguns, up to and including trading knees to the groin!

Now if I were in the habit of wearing a uniform, and a plainly visible handgun, I suspect I'd spent the bulk of my training time and efforts on protecting a pistol that's still IN THE HOLSTER. I suspect we're doing pretty similar things, just from very different perspectives.
 

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