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<blockquote data-quote="hrdware" data-source="post: 1879073" data-attributes="member: 24475"><p>First, by talking to people who question it, politely. If someone starts yelling at me, the conversation will be over and I will find someplace else I need to be. If I'm in a store, I will simply find the manager and explain that the other customer is making it hard for me to shop in their store. A polite conversation should include what the law allows for and doesn't allow for. It should also include the results of the 2006 FBI study on Violent Encounters that found bad guys don't open carry and about 1% actually use a holster. OKOCA has an open empty holster trash cleanup scheduled in September in Tulsa. Community service events help get the word out as well.</p><p></p><p>As far as law enforcement goes, if I am doing nothing illegal, there should be no contact. However if there is, I will be polite with the officer, I will freely comply with what the law allows them to do, and comply under duress with what the law does not allow them to do. All the while being polite. </p><p></p><p>I feel dispatch should ask people who make a MWAG call should ask if the gun is in a holster and if the answer is yes, the caller should be told open carry is legal. If dispatch decides to send an officer out, it's up to them, but they should educate the caller on the legality of open carry.</p><p></p><p>As far as the MarkedGuardian goes it's not really an issue, Oklahoma Open Carry does not provide for long gun open carry. That being said, I still believe officers should know the law as well as open carriers will be required to know the law, and operate within those boundaries. Will I politely tell an officer I believe he is violating the law/my rights, yep. Will I file a complaint if an officer violates the law/my rights, maybe. Will I ask for a supervisor if I think an officer is going to far, in a heartbeat. Respect and courtesy are 2 way streets and if I feel an officer is going beyond the scope of duty under color of law, I will call him on it. </p><p></p><p>We have come to a point in society when many times we must prove our innocence and good intentions first instead of being innocent until an officer can prove our guilt and bad intentions. This has been allowed to happen for so long, it now seems common practice and those that don't subscribe to that philosophy seem to be labeled as activists, trouble makers, cowboys, idiots....the list goes on.</p><p></p><p>An officer stopping someone just because they are open carry when they have committed no other crime is like stopping someone for wearing a red shirt....if noting illegal is going on, or looks like it is about to happen then move on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hrdware, post: 1879073, member: 24475"] First, by talking to people who question it, politely. If someone starts yelling at me, the conversation will be over and I will find someplace else I need to be. If I'm in a store, I will simply find the manager and explain that the other customer is making it hard for me to shop in their store. A polite conversation should include what the law allows for and doesn't allow for. It should also include the results of the 2006 FBI study on Violent Encounters that found bad guys don't open carry and about 1% actually use a holster. OKOCA has an open empty holster trash cleanup scheduled in September in Tulsa. Community service events help get the word out as well. As far as law enforcement goes, if I am doing nothing illegal, there should be no contact. However if there is, I will be polite with the officer, I will freely comply with what the law allows them to do, and comply under duress with what the law does not allow them to do. All the while being polite. I feel dispatch should ask people who make a MWAG call should ask if the gun is in a holster and if the answer is yes, the caller should be told open carry is legal. If dispatch decides to send an officer out, it's up to them, but they should educate the caller on the legality of open carry. As far as the MarkedGuardian goes it's not really an issue, Oklahoma Open Carry does not provide for long gun open carry. That being said, I still believe officers should know the law as well as open carriers will be required to know the law, and operate within those boundaries. Will I politely tell an officer I believe he is violating the law/my rights, yep. Will I file a complaint if an officer violates the law/my rights, maybe. Will I ask for a supervisor if I think an officer is going to far, in a heartbeat. Respect and courtesy are 2 way streets and if I feel an officer is going beyond the scope of duty under color of law, I will call him on it. We have come to a point in society when many times we must prove our innocence and good intentions first instead of being innocent until an officer can prove our guilt and bad intentions. This has been allowed to happen for so long, it now seems common practice and those that don't subscribe to that philosophy seem to be labeled as activists, trouble makers, cowboys, idiots....the list goes on. An officer stopping someone just because they are open carry when they have committed no other crime is like stopping someone for wearing a red shirt....if noting illegal is going on, or looks like it is about to happen then move on. [/QUOTE]
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