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<blockquote data-quote="OK Corgi Rancher" data-source="post: 4221229" data-attributes="member: 45773"><p>Please point out to me where I asked anyone to give either of these officers any benefit of the doubt or where I defended anything they did. Go ahead... I'll wait. Or, let me save you the time and effort. I didn't. Not at all. I never made any statement in support of their actions so you can't possibly know how I felt about it. And that's typical of so many on this forum. They pretend to be experts on something they know nothing about and couldn't be objective regarding a situation like this to save their lives. Should some of these people ever screw up in life and face legal consequences for their actions I sincerely hope they have people on their jury who are just like they are when looking at the evidence...incapable of critical thought, incapable of objective reasoning and totally biased against them.</p><p></p><p>The reality is this. The officer f'd up. Huge. So did the Sgt. There is no way in the world to justify shooting into a vehicle at a threat you can't see and really haven't identified. My guess is this guy was some sort of affirmative action (or similar program) hire. And we're getting exactly the type of police service many have been asking for over the years.</p><p></p><p>So, for those without the ability to consider any aspect of this situation besides the fact the officers fired numerous shots into a car at a threat they couldn't see, I'm not defending what they did. But I can also see a few things in this video that are exceedingly obvious:</p><p></p><p>The officer was obviously and truly panicked by a noise he thought was a gunshot. Now, if anyone knows anything about police work, which most people here don't because they've never done it, then you'd know that cops in general know little about guns. Most of them wouldn't carry a gun if it wasn't a requirement of the job. Even fewer know what a suppressed gunshot sounds like. This guy honestly thought he heard a gunshot and if you can't see that from the video then you're just a moron ("you" in the general sense...not specifically towards one person). He was so frightened and panicked thinking he'd been hit that he was nearly debilitated and unable to act.</p><p></p><p>So, while I don't condone what he did and I think it was a monumental f-up, I understand what happened based on his obvious emotional state and reaction. I also understand what a culpable mental state is. People are saying (not necessarily here) that he should be charged and blah, blah, f'n blah. Many crimes require a culpable mental state. Some lesser offenses (reckless endangerment comes to mind) that don't require a culpable mental state might come into play but any reasonably competent attorney could easily show this guy had no criminal intent. There's really no point in charging him with anything since no one was hurt. That in no way assumes he shouldn't face civil liability...which, I can guarantee, he will and he should. It's the same people who prattle on about qualified immunity when they have zero understanding of what that actually entails. So, yeah...the stupidity is tiresome.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I think the Sgt's actions were more egregious than the officers. I'm finding it hard to defend her actions in shooting into the car. On the other hand, I think she did a good job of attempting to verify the officer was OK and dealing with the screaming idiot trying her damnedest to make a bad situation worse. </p><p></p><p>I also think both of these officers have been failed by their departments and by a society that values gender and race over ability.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah... I think you know he's not who I'm referring to.</p><p></p><p>Most of the mentally challenged who make ridiculous comments on this forum are the same type who will walk up to an officer holding a gun on a suspect, while screaming at the suspect to drop a weapon or something like that, and ask the officer for directions or something else dumb. In terms of police work I do think most of the public is stupid. Information is out there they just refuse to absorb it and can do nothing but criticize something they don't understand. I guess they'd rather put their ignorance on display for others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="OK Corgi Rancher, post: 4221229, member: 45773"] Please point out to me where I asked anyone to give either of these officers any benefit of the doubt or where I defended anything they did. Go ahead... I'll wait. Or, let me save you the time and effort. I didn't. Not at all. I never made any statement in support of their actions so you can't possibly know how I felt about it. And that's typical of so many on this forum. They pretend to be experts on something they know nothing about and couldn't be objective regarding a situation like this to save their lives. Should some of these people ever screw up in life and face legal consequences for their actions I sincerely hope they have people on their jury who are just like they are when looking at the evidence...incapable of critical thought, incapable of objective reasoning and totally biased against them. The reality is this. The officer f'd up. Huge. So did the Sgt. There is no way in the world to justify shooting into a vehicle at a threat you can't see and really haven't identified. My guess is this guy was some sort of affirmative action (or similar program) hire. And we're getting exactly the type of police service many have been asking for over the years. So, for those without the ability to consider any aspect of this situation besides the fact the officers fired numerous shots into a car at a threat they couldn't see, I'm not defending what they did. But I can also see a few things in this video that are exceedingly obvious: The officer was obviously and truly panicked by a noise he thought was a gunshot. Now, if anyone knows anything about police work, which most people here don't because they've never done it, then you'd know that cops in general know little about guns. Most of them wouldn't carry a gun if it wasn't a requirement of the job. Even fewer know what a suppressed gunshot sounds like. This guy honestly thought he heard a gunshot and if you can't see that from the video then you're just a moron ("you" in the general sense...not specifically towards one person). He was so frightened and panicked thinking he'd been hit that he was nearly debilitated and unable to act. So, while I don't condone what he did and I think it was a monumental f-up, I understand what happened based on his obvious emotional state and reaction. I also understand what a culpable mental state is. People are saying (not necessarily here) that he should be charged and blah, blah, f'n blah. Many crimes require a culpable mental state. Some lesser offenses (reckless endangerment comes to mind) that don't require a culpable mental state might come into play but any reasonably competent attorney could easily show this guy had no criminal intent. There's really no point in charging him with anything since no one was hurt. That in no way assumes he shouldn't face civil liability...which, I can guarantee, he will and he should. It's the same people who prattle on about qualified immunity when they have zero understanding of what that actually entails. So, yeah...the stupidity is tiresome. Personally, I think the Sgt's actions were more egregious than the officers. I'm finding it hard to defend her actions in shooting into the car. On the other hand, I think she did a good job of attempting to verify the officer was OK and dealing with the screaming idiot trying her damnedest to make a bad situation worse. I also think both of these officers have been failed by their departments and by a society that values gender and race over ability. Yeah... I think you know he's not who I'm referring to. Most of the mentally challenged who make ridiculous comments on this forum are the same type who will walk up to an officer holding a gun on a suspect, while screaming at the suspect to drop a weapon or something like that, and ask the officer for directions or something else dumb. In terms of police work I do think most of the public is stupid. Information is out there they just refuse to absorb it and can do nothing but criticize something they don't understand. I guess they'd rather put their ignorance on display for others. [/QUOTE]
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