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<blockquote data-quote="Riley" data-source="post: 2474545" data-attributes="member: 29196"><p>Despite all this, there was a sailor killed in Norfolk on a destroyer last week by a contractor who got on the ship, disarmed the watch, and shot another watch stander. Amazing I know.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.wbaltv.com/news/family-md-sailor-killed-in-in-norfolk-navy-shooting/25173036" target="_blank">http://www.wbaltv.com/news/family-md-sailor-killed-in-in-norfolk-navy-shooting/25173036</a></p><p></p><p>When I was a young sailor, my first armed watch consisted of a pre-watch qualification of identifying the safeties on a .45 and demonstrating the proper procedures to load it. We had rounds, but the weapon was not loaded. During security alerts, drills or real, one of our responsibility was to secure the brow (primary ship access). We did this by racking and locking back the slide with a magazine in hand, so the load and shoot cycle was quite low.... we had the benefit of distance and hopefully time...</p><p></p><p>We also had the benefit of a full third of the leadership of the command on board at all times. We were required to ready for sea at all times. </p><p></p><p>I know boilers take time, however we had a lot more people, and experience, on board at any time then they do today. I will note, three section duty sucks like little else...</p><p></p><p>Now days the watches have loaded weapons with the resultant negligent discharges on turnover etc. Limited leadership and personnel. I'd guess the Senior leadership was probably a LTjg, maybe an Ensign, 01-02, for you joint types....</p><p></p><p>In the case I posted above, it seems the armed watch, usually a senior petty officer and the officer of the deck, was overpowered and the junior watch stander intervened to save their life. Unfortunately the loss of his was the result... </p><p></p><p>In my opinion, we, the military have gone a long way down a road to make service the equivalent of working for the post office, not that they don't work hard but it really should be different. </p><p></p><p>Maintaining, operating, and deploying weapons systems in hostile environments is not for everyone. </p><p></p><p>I think we ought to stop trying to make the responsibility and sacrifice something in which anyone can find success.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riley, post: 2474545, member: 29196"] Despite all this, there was a sailor killed in Norfolk on a destroyer last week by a contractor who got on the ship, disarmed the watch, and shot another watch stander. Amazing I know. [url]http://www.wbaltv.com/news/family-md-sailor-killed-in-in-norfolk-navy-shooting/25173036[/url] When I was a young sailor, my first armed watch consisted of a pre-watch qualification of identifying the safeties on a .45 and demonstrating the proper procedures to load it. We had rounds, but the weapon was not loaded. During security alerts, drills or real, one of our responsibility was to secure the brow (primary ship access). We did this by racking and locking back the slide with a magazine in hand, so the load and shoot cycle was quite low.... we had the benefit of distance and hopefully time... We also had the benefit of a full third of the leadership of the command on board at all times. We were required to ready for sea at all times. I know boilers take time, however we had a lot more people, and experience, on board at any time then they do today. I will note, three section duty sucks like little else... Now days the watches have loaded weapons with the resultant negligent discharges on turnover etc. Limited leadership and personnel. I'd guess the Senior leadership was probably a LTjg, maybe an Ensign, 01-02, for you joint types.... In the case I posted above, it seems the armed watch, usually a senior petty officer and the officer of the deck, was overpowered and the junior watch stander intervened to save their life. Unfortunately the loss of his was the result... In my opinion, we, the military have gone a long way down a road to make service the equivalent of working for the post office, not that they don't work hard but it really should be different. Maintaining, operating, and deploying weapons systems in hostile environments is not for everyone. I think we ought to stop trying to make the responsibility and sacrifice something in which anyone can find success. [/QUOTE]
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