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<blockquote data-quote="Glocktogo" data-source="post: 1373669" data-attributes="member: 1132"><p>I'm not violating anyone's rights. I can be investigated and sued just like any other federal employee for violating someone's civil rights. A lot of folks who know me think I was the honor graduate of my academy class because of my scores on the range, when it was actually my scores on the law block (which is a lot of constitutional law). I know the Constitution very well and I'm more likely to be the person to say you can't do something with a citizen than the one doing something I shouldn't.</p><p></p><p>Your second sentence is just inflammatory silliness and you know it.</p><p></p><p>You do know that Chertoff is no longer at DHS right? He has his own consulting firm, but I have no knowledge that he was involved directly or indirectly with the most recent changes. </p><p></p><p>We don't want to control the public, at least not at the local level. My position would still be necessary tomorrow even if there were no readily identifiable external threat. I don't deal directly with passengers very often. I work with the industry most of the time. </p><p></p><p>Lots of people feel that there is no serious threat to aviation anymore, but intel and the most recent actions of Al Qaeda and AQIM would indicate otherwise. Air travel is an integral part of the infrastructure of our country. Until the terrorists turn their attention elsewhere, the threat is still real and viable. Perhaps we're not communicating that effectively. Perhaps people just don't want to listen. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is his account. I'm sure based on his subsequent actions that he was completely unreasonable and just wanted to stir up trouble, which he did. We have no intentions of patronizing people like him, that's not what we're here for.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure the economy had nothing to do with that. <img src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) :rolleyes:" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's not how it works and court precedents have been well established on this point. The case law all agrees that you can refuse to submit to screening procedures prior to the start of said screening. Once you initiate the process, you may no longer withdraw without jeopardy. This is to prevent operational testing of the system by those intent on circumventing it. For the purposes of prior cases, the point of initiation has been determined to be when you place your items on the x-ray belt or enter the walk through portal.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That gets played every day in our office. That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Glocktogo, post: 1373669, member: 1132"] I'm not violating anyone's rights. I can be investigated and sued just like any other federal employee for violating someone's civil rights. A lot of folks who know me think I was the honor graduate of my academy class because of my scores on the range, when it was actually my scores on the law block (which is a lot of constitutional law). I know the Constitution very well and I'm more likely to be the person to say you can't do something with a citizen than the one doing something I shouldn't. Your second sentence is just inflammatory silliness and you know it. You do know that Chertoff is no longer at DHS right? He has his own consulting firm, but I have no knowledge that he was involved directly or indirectly with the most recent changes. We don't want to control the public, at least not at the local level. My position would still be necessary tomorrow even if there were no readily identifiable external threat. I don't deal directly with passengers very often. I work with the industry most of the time. Lots of people feel that there is no serious threat to aviation anymore, but intel and the most recent actions of Al Qaeda and AQIM would indicate otherwise. Air travel is an integral part of the infrastructure of our country. Until the terrorists turn their attention elsewhere, the threat is still real and viable. Perhaps we're not communicating that effectively. Perhaps people just don't want to listen. This is his account. I'm sure based on his subsequent actions that he was completely unreasonable and just wanted to stir up trouble, which he did. We have no intentions of patronizing people like him, that's not what we're here for. I'm sure the economy had nothing to do with that. :rolleyes: That's not how it works and court precedents have been well established on this point. The case law all agrees that you can refuse to submit to screening procedures prior to the start of said screening. Once you initiate the process, you may no longer withdraw without jeopardy. This is to prevent operational testing of the system by those intent on circumventing it. For the purposes of prior cases, the point of initiation has been determined to be when you place your items on the x-ray belt or enter the walk through portal. See above. That gets played every day in our office. That's funny right there, I don't care who you are. [/QUOTE]
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