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<blockquote data-quote="JRSherman" data-source="post: 1372476" data-attributes="member: 13432"><p>Well Zombie, I'm not that interested in looking up studies, but I like to look at what happens when I buy new products. </p><p></p><p>For awhile, after I stopped living off M&D and had to buy things on my own, I didn't purchase ethanol loaded gasoline, but I did purchase brand new 2 cycle weed eaters and the like, as well as 4 cycle lawn mowers. </p><p></p><p>With my brand new motors and non-ethanol gas, my engines always started on the first startup cycle- prime it, full choke until it attempts to start, half choke until it runs, wait 10 seconds, and switch to run. Same thing with lawn mowers. Prime and pull, and they started right up.</p><p></p><p>Somewhere in the last 8 years, it changed to ethanol being present in most of the gas I bought. I had to buy all new equipment after all mine got seawater flood damaged in Norfolk, VA. Since then, I've been through 3 new 2 cycle weed eaters, fresh out of the box, that will run for, at most, 2 uses, then require He-Man or a master mechanic to make them run, and I'm not just talking cheap brands either. As well, I went through 1 4-cycle lawn mower that absolutely would not run.</p><p></p><p>I've since found a gas station that is ethanol free, and have very few problems whatsoever. Oddly enough, though, in the middle of the time that I had the most difficulty with 2-Cycle engines, 4-cycle versions started popping up for almost everything. Weed-eaters, chainsaws, you name it. For the modest price of $125+ more than 2 cycle.</p><p></p><p>Plus, you can't run away from it everywhere. Missouri has a minimum requirement of 10% ethanol in all gas. I would advise anyone boating in MO to buy 91+ octane, as there's a good amount of money being made by local boat engine shops to fix engines for the cheap gas buyers. My grandpa has about $750 sunk into a decently new motor, and they'll be happy to tell you about getting 91-octane to avoid the problem. After you paid them for the repairs, of course.</p><p></p><p>Someone is clearly making the money on this, and I highly doubt it's only your local small engine repair man. Or maybe i'm just that unlucky, and my hands have the Black and Blue Touch of Murphy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JRSherman, post: 1372476, member: 13432"] Well Zombie, I'm not that interested in looking up studies, but I like to look at what happens when I buy new products. For awhile, after I stopped living off M&D and had to buy things on my own, I didn't purchase ethanol loaded gasoline, but I did purchase brand new 2 cycle weed eaters and the like, as well as 4 cycle lawn mowers. With my brand new motors and non-ethanol gas, my engines always started on the first startup cycle- prime it, full choke until it attempts to start, half choke until it runs, wait 10 seconds, and switch to run. Same thing with lawn mowers. Prime and pull, and they started right up. Somewhere in the last 8 years, it changed to ethanol being present in most of the gas I bought. I had to buy all new equipment after all mine got seawater flood damaged in Norfolk, VA. Since then, I've been through 3 new 2 cycle weed eaters, fresh out of the box, that will run for, at most, 2 uses, then require He-Man or a master mechanic to make them run, and I'm not just talking cheap brands either. As well, I went through 1 4-cycle lawn mower that absolutely would not run. I've since found a gas station that is ethanol free, and have very few problems whatsoever. Oddly enough, though, in the middle of the time that I had the most difficulty with 2-Cycle engines, 4-cycle versions started popping up for almost everything. Weed-eaters, chainsaws, you name it. For the modest price of $125+ more than 2 cycle. Plus, you can't run away from it everywhere. Missouri has a minimum requirement of 10% ethanol in all gas. I would advise anyone boating in MO to buy 91+ octane, as there's a good amount of money being made by local boat engine shops to fix engines for the cheap gas buyers. My grandpa has about $750 sunk into a decently new motor, and they'll be happy to tell you about getting 91-octane to avoid the problem. After you paid them for the repairs, of course. Someone is clearly making the money on this, and I highly doubt it's only your local small engine repair man. Or maybe i'm just that unlucky, and my hands have the Black and Blue Touch of Murphy. [/QUOTE]
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