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<blockquote data-quote="hrdware" data-source="post: 1900820" data-attributes="member: 24475"><p>Agree 100%.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it is an emotional response to think a stop like this is ok because of they type of firearm (an AK) even though everything about it was legal. Logically, to you (and most people) this is not a great idea, but it is not illegal in his state. You don't agree with his choice and that provides you the justification for an officer to intervene. Would you have been OK with the stop if the barrel would have been 8 inches, obviously below the 12 inch legal limit? </p><p></p><p>Putting up with being stopped by a PO to "check things out" is more of a hassle than anything, however it is a big deal because they are doing things they really don't have authority to do.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>The difference is that in this case there was RAS for the stop, the belief that the barrel on the firearm was to long, thereby making it an illegal weapon for open carry. The new state law does provide that an officer can demand to see your permit for no reason than they want to see it, even though this is state law, it still violates the Constitution and Supreme Court rulings.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't have a right to hunt, I have to have permission to do so. Technically I have a right to carry a firearm, but in OK I have to have permission to do that as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not an issue in OK since you will not be able to open carry a rifle.</p><p></p><p></p><p>He may be doing his job, but he is violating your civil rights. I am not contradicting the legality of this particular stop, I am saying that in general, without RAS it is a civil rights violation. In the persons state, an AK pistol is perfectly legal for open carry and should not produce RAS, the barrel length produced RAS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hrdware, post: 1900820, member: 24475"] Agree 100%. Yes, it is an emotional response to think a stop like this is ok because of they type of firearm (an AK) even though everything about it was legal. Logically, to you (and most people) this is not a great idea, but it is not illegal in his state. You don't agree with his choice and that provides you the justification for an officer to intervene. Would you have been OK with the stop if the barrel would have been 8 inches, obviously below the 12 inch legal limit? Putting up with being stopped by a PO to "check things out" is more of a hassle than anything, however it is a big deal because they are doing things they really don't have authority to do. The difference is that in this case there was RAS for the stop, the belief that the barrel on the firearm was to long, thereby making it an illegal weapon for open carry. The new state law does provide that an officer can demand to see your permit for no reason than they want to see it, even though this is state law, it still violates the Constitution and Supreme Court rulings. I don't have a right to hunt, I have to have permission to do so. Technically I have a right to carry a firearm, but in OK I have to have permission to do that as well. Not an issue in OK since you will not be able to open carry a rifle. He may be doing his job, but he is violating your civil rights. I am not contradicting the legality of this particular stop, I am saying that in general, without RAS it is a civil rights violation. In the persons state, an AK pistol is perfectly legal for open carry and should not produce RAS, the barrel length produced RAS. [/QUOTE]
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