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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dennishoddy" data-source="post: 3574517" data-attributes="member: 5412">It's totally obvious you're not aware of how things work in nature when it comes to hunting for food which is made even more difficult when hunting for a group. A couple of squirrels that you mentioned will feed exactly four people for one day. Maybe a day or two longer boiling the bones for marrow soup.When you eliminate squirrels(or any game) in your area, there are no breeders to generate more, so one has to keep venturing further and further out. Your solution of being near public land is also troubling. 95.5% of the land in Oklahoma is privately owned. 4.5% is owned by the public. The people going to public lands would quickly decimate any game, so where would the small compound go to obtain protein? Infrastructure would have to be key. Fresh clean water, and sanitation would be primary concerns. You can't have a compound of folks going out into the woods to take care of #2. It would get messy getting out of the compound to hunt after a while not to say the smell would be overwhelming. Who is going to make toilet paper?Most streams and some wells are not sanitary and need chlorination or boiling to make them safe to drink. SHTF, there is no chlorine. It's been done in the past but if your water supply comes from other areas that have game and livestock pooping and peeing in the water, your source becomes contaminated. Ponds in the summer time are bacteria havens with the rotting biomass of moss and wild animals/birds/fish pooping in them. The bigger the population the larger the infrastructure would have to be. If it's a wooded area that is good for game, it would not be good for growing crops that require sunlight. Removing stumps from a cleared woodlot is not an easy task to create fields. Who is providing the equipment to create food from the fields? People with sticks making holes and dropping seeds into them like the old days? Hoeing to remove the weeds. What equipment needed to break the ground originally before planting? No fuel, so who is a good enough craftsman to build a wood plow? Who is going to pull it? Put a couple of folks in a harness and let them go for it?The time from planting to harvest can be many months. What is going to supplement the diet in that time frame?Who is going to be harvesting firewood for the winter and what are they going to be using to do that since there is no fuel and no mechanical means of getting that firewood? Once the dead wood is taken from the woods, where do you go to get more? It can't be public lands because the public is there to get theirs before you are. The Pilgrims actually tried the socialism method when landing on this country. They quickly discovered that there were some to work and some to sponge off the work of others. It was a failed utopia, and created the basis for where we should be at today. Work for yourself and fawk the sponges of society. There are so many scenarios about this SHTF situation that people don't consider when dreaming about actually doing this. There are people all over the world that have actually done that and are still doing it but the life is hard and the life span is short. It's amazing to me the methods I put a question mark on above about infrastructure and people being creative in how they live day to day. Typically they are nomadic because they have to follow the animal food sources in their movements and the climates that bring rains to fertile valleys in the growing seasons. Little of our game is nomadic other than waterfowl and a few other specie though.It's fun to think about this concept and the challenges that it would bring. Hope I brought up some more item to consider.</blockquote>

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