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<blockquote data-quote="oklaccer" data-source="post: 2221266" data-attributes="member: 6156"><p>Taking what you said about not being specifically targeted, and expounding on the theme some - when the BG starts his mayhem, you are a nameless, faceless blob in a crowd of nameless, faceless blobs. Blob A is a CC'er, blob B is an OC"er. When the BG makes known his intentions and both blobs decide to act, assuming the same level of training, preparation, etc, the OC will "surprise" the BG first. </p><p>Changing the parameters slightly, and having a blob be specifically targeted, the OC blob will have a quicker response time, again asuming the same level of training, preparation etc.</p><p>Changing parameters slightly again, and having a blob be an OC'er and noticed by the BG before the BG takes any action, and statistics will show this to be true, the BG goes elsewhere.</p><p>The advantage in the element of surprise goes to the first to act. In a crime scenario, the BG always is the first to act. After that point it is all actions, reactions and tactics. Take 2 people, face to face, with the same level of training, etc, the first one to draw will win almost every time, be it the OC'er or the CC'er.</p><p>I have no interest in changing your mind. I agree that to carry is more important than how. The discussion of tactical advantage may hinge on definition of terms and control of parameters. The inference that an OC'er will be the first target is false. Feel how you want, and do what you want, but please don't present it as fact when it is not.</p><p>Not having been in any discussions with you before, I had no reference for how to take your almighty GOD statement. No offense intended.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oklaccer, post: 2221266, member: 6156"] Taking what you said about not being specifically targeted, and expounding on the theme some - when the BG starts his mayhem, you are a nameless, faceless blob in a crowd of nameless, faceless blobs. Blob A is a CC'er, blob B is an OC"er. When the BG makes known his intentions and both blobs decide to act, assuming the same level of training, preparation, etc, the OC will "surprise" the BG first. Changing the parameters slightly, and having a blob be specifically targeted, the OC blob will have a quicker response time, again asuming the same level of training, preparation etc. Changing parameters slightly again, and having a blob be an OC'er and noticed by the BG before the BG takes any action, and statistics will show this to be true, the BG goes elsewhere. The advantage in the element of surprise goes to the first to act. In a crime scenario, the BG always is the first to act. After that point it is all actions, reactions and tactics. Take 2 people, face to face, with the same level of training, etc, the first one to draw will win almost every time, be it the OC'er or the CC'er. I have no interest in changing your mind. I agree that to carry is more important than how. The discussion of tactical advantage may hinge on definition of terms and control of parameters. The inference that an OC'er will be the first target is false. Feel how you want, and do what you want, but please don't present it as fact when it is not. Not having been in any discussions with you before, I had no reference for how to take your almighty GOD statement. No offense intended. [/QUOTE]
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