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<blockquote data-quote="soonerwings" data-source="post: 1629451" data-attributes="member: 8035"><p>Yes we do own ourselves but your statement is untrue. Sovereign people may cede any portion of their liberty that they see fit in order to live in a society with rules. My main problem with extreme libertarians is that they're all about "individual liberty" as long as it's their own. The moment that a group of people bands together to establish a government where EVERYBODY has the SAME rights, they piss and moan about how THEIR rights are violated without considering the rights of others. Our government only abridges liberty to the extent that the voting populace lets them get away with it. Rather than railing about oppressive government, perhaps you should focus more on railing on stupid people or on the people that take the asinine position that "my vote doesn't count" and have little pity parties when courses of action get approved that they disagree with.</p><p></p><p>I contend that YOU can't have it both ways. If you believe that people are sovereign, then your are forced to believe that they can limit their own freedoms for the betterment of people around them. The government isn't some faceless entity, it's composed of sovereign people who vote for/against other sovereign people or their ideas. The idea that government is by nature a slave-master is absurd. It all comes down to what freedoms people are willing to give up in order to live in an orderly society.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you don't believe that there are consequences to how you exercise the free will that you've been given, I'd suggest that you hit the bible some more. Its authors would beg to differ. To make the argument that freedom has no responsibility is to say that everyone is free from the consequences of their decisions. You and I both know that this is simply not true.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="soonerwings, post: 1629451, member: 8035"] Yes we do own ourselves but your statement is untrue. Sovereign people may cede any portion of their liberty that they see fit in order to live in a society with rules. My main problem with extreme libertarians is that they're all about "individual liberty" as long as it's their own. The moment that a group of people bands together to establish a government where EVERYBODY has the SAME rights, they piss and moan about how THEIR rights are violated without considering the rights of others. Our government only abridges liberty to the extent that the voting populace lets them get away with it. Rather than railing about oppressive government, perhaps you should focus more on railing on stupid people or on the people that take the asinine position that "my vote doesn't count" and have little pity parties when courses of action get approved that they disagree with. I contend that YOU can't have it both ways. If you believe that people are sovereign, then your are forced to believe that they can limit their own freedoms for the betterment of people around them. The government isn't some faceless entity, it's composed of sovereign people who vote for/against other sovereign people or their ideas. The idea that government is by nature a slave-master is absurd. It all comes down to what freedoms people are willing to give up in order to live in an orderly society. If you don't believe that there are consequences to how you exercise the free will that you've been given, I'd suggest that you hit the bible some more. Its authors would beg to differ. To make the argument that freedom has no responsibility is to say that everyone is free from the consequences of their decisions. You and I both know that this is simply not true. [/QUOTE]
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