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Ar15 in 5.56 for a 1000 yard gun.. thoughts.
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<blockquote data-quote="TulsaMike" data-source="post: 4181404" data-attributes="member: 49625"><p>Ive done 1100 yards (1000m) with 5.56 many times, but it only carries the energy of a 22LR at that distance so you really need to see the impact since its unlikely you will hear it (or if youre shooting paper, its much easier to see). You can make consistent hits in low wind, especially if you have an 18 or 20 inch barrel to get the velocity up on the 77 gr SMKs. I was hand loading when I had my MK12 clone so I was able to push the rounds a little harder than factory ammo, but the IMI Razor Core and other "mil" loads are pretty hot and will get there if youre patient and learn how to shoot when rounds are going transonic.</p><p></p><p>As far as purpose, for about 10 years, I was shooting 3 times a week when I had a private range, so you quickly get bored with firearms that are easy to make hits with. I have steel at 700m/800m/1000m/1 mile, and once you learn your rifle and get the load dialed in, the only challenge is really wind shifts at longer distances if you dont have flags up at the targets, which I never did, and in arizona, cactus doesnt tell wind very well. I was just buying factory rifles and tossing in triggers, then doing load development to see what I could get out of it. Short story is just about any production rifle today is capable of 1,000 yard hits as long as you have good ammo and a shooter behind it. With that in mind though, youre in for a real frustrating day if you have heavier shifting wind and trying to get on with a small caliber or a shorter barrel. I rarely build "long range" 5.56 rifles anymore because these days, 308 or 6.5 just isnt that much more expensive than match 5.56, but there is something peaceful about having a heavier 5.56 setup for precision that has zero recoil, nice and quiet with a can on it, and will make consistent 800m hits all day long, and 1000m hits in better wind, or present a fun challenge in adverse conditions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TulsaMike, post: 4181404, member: 49625"] Ive done 1100 yards (1000m) with 5.56 many times, but it only carries the energy of a 22LR at that distance so you really need to see the impact since its unlikely you will hear it (or if youre shooting paper, its much easier to see). You can make consistent hits in low wind, especially if you have an 18 or 20 inch barrel to get the velocity up on the 77 gr SMKs. I was hand loading when I had my MK12 clone so I was able to push the rounds a little harder than factory ammo, but the IMI Razor Core and other "mil" loads are pretty hot and will get there if youre patient and learn how to shoot when rounds are going transonic. As far as purpose, for about 10 years, I was shooting 3 times a week when I had a private range, so you quickly get bored with firearms that are easy to make hits with. I have steel at 700m/800m/1000m/1 mile, and once you learn your rifle and get the load dialed in, the only challenge is really wind shifts at longer distances if you dont have flags up at the targets, which I never did, and in arizona, cactus doesnt tell wind very well. I was just buying factory rifles and tossing in triggers, then doing load development to see what I could get out of it. Short story is just about any production rifle today is capable of 1,000 yard hits as long as you have good ammo and a shooter behind it. With that in mind though, youre in for a real frustrating day if you have heavier shifting wind and trying to get on with a small caliber or a shorter barrel. I rarely build "long range" 5.56 rifles anymore because these days, 308 or 6.5 just isnt that much more expensive than match 5.56, but there is something peaceful about having a heavier 5.56 setup for precision that has zero recoil, nice and quiet with a can on it, and will make consistent 800m hits all day long, and 1000m hits in better wind, or present a fun challenge in adverse conditions. [/QUOTE]
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