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<blockquote data-quote="ez bake" data-source="post: 2003820" data-attributes="member: 229"><p>My issue with threads like this is that since OC passed, I've seen a ton of new signs (including small stores locally) and when asking the store-owners at some of the smaller places, they say that their insurance companies told them to put up a sign or that someone pushed the limits by OC'ing in a sort of "brazen" manner, or that they just didn't want to lose the customers that were against it.</p><p></p><p>Basically, there were a lot of fence-sitting semi-anti-gun people/places that weren't vocal about it or pushing the issue until open carry came out (and those places viewed OC as pushing the issue). </p><p></p><p>I've got absolutely no beef with the right to open-carry and I want the option to do so, but when we're dealing with a population of known gun-fearing folks, it would seem to me that education under the proper circumstances seems like a better plan than OC'ing just to prove a point.</p><p></p><p>And I'm not saying that everyone is OC'ing "just to prove a point", but I hear a lot of comments about how folks can't wait to go OC at some place that they know isn't necessarily gun-friendly but doesn't yet have a sign up, or how they can't wait to see the look on so-and-so's face, or how they're switching their carry to the biggest gun possible just to OC...</p><p></p><p>Those are the attention-whores (ust like the folks who are attention-whoring against guns) and now I've got a bunch of places I have to avoid because of signage that didn't used to be there. The consequences aren't "blood in the streets" like the common strawman argument that's tossed around, but there are still folks lashing out against guns (and a lot of them just need education from someone with a level-head and knowledge of the gun-world). </p><p></p><p>There are plenty of idiots out there just trying to prove a point - and most of those idiots aren't taking the time to write businesses who posted signage in an intelligent manner or using reason and logic when talking to local store-owners, or trying to properly educate gun-fearing folks who just need some knowledge on the matter. </p><p></p><p>So why we all feel like OC is a win, I'd suggest getting ahead of the backlash by talking to folks (using a level-head) or being as courteous to others as you can before trying to use the gun as an extension of one's ego and getting a little attention. If you happen to be responsibly OC'ing and not just after the attention then great. I applaud you (but you should be just as angry about the idiots screwing it up for all of us).</p><p></p><p>For the record, I haven't OC'd yet, but I've sloppily concealed a few times (thin shirt over an IWB holster that was fairly obvious just because I was lazy) and I think the OP handled the situation correctly (though going to a place like Whole Foods was probably not the best use of judgment - I try and verify that a private-property owner is cool with my bringing a firearm onto their property prior to doing it - no there wasn't a sign but Whole Foods and a lot of their clientèle are notoriously left-leaning on a lot of political issues including guns). If the employee was just the messenger, then there's no reason to punish them by making them put all your stuff back on the shelf by walking out without completing the purchase.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ez bake, post: 2003820, member: 229"] My issue with threads like this is that since OC passed, I've seen a ton of new signs (including small stores locally) and when asking the store-owners at some of the smaller places, they say that their insurance companies told them to put up a sign or that someone pushed the limits by OC'ing in a sort of "brazen" manner, or that they just didn't want to lose the customers that were against it. Basically, there were a lot of fence-sitting semi-anti-gun people/places that weren't vocal about it or pushing the issue until open carry came out (and those places viewed OC as pushing the issue). I've got absolutely no beef with the right to open-carry and I want the option to do so, but when we're dealing with a population of known gun-fearing folks, it would seem to me that education under the proper circumstances seems like a better plan than OC'ing just to prove a point. And I'm not saying that everyone is OC'ing "just to prove a point", but I hear a lot of comments about how folks can't wait to go OC at some place that they know isn't necessarily gun-friendly but doesn't yet have a sign up, or how they can't wait to see the look on so-and-so's face, or how they're switching their carry to the biggest gun possible just to OC... Those are the attention-whores (ust like the folks who are attention-whoring against guns) and now I've got a bunch of places I have to avoid because of signage that didn't used to be there. The consequences aren't "blood in the streets" like the common strawman argument that's tossed around, but there are still folks lashing out against guns (and a lot of them just need education from someone with a level-head and knowledge of the gun-world). There are plenty of idiots out there just trying to prove a point - and most of those idiots aren't taking the time to write businesses who posted signage in an intelligent manner or using reason and logic when talking to local store-owners, or trying to properly educate gun-fearing folks who just need some knowledge on the matter. So why we all feel like OC is a win, I'd suggest getting ahead of the backlash by talking to folks (using a level-head) or being as courteous to others as you can before trying to use the gun as an extension of one's ego and getting a little attention. If you happen to be responsibly OC'ing and not just after the attention then great. I applaud you (but you should be just as angry about the idiots screwing it up for all of us). For the record, I haven't OC'd yet, but I've sloppily concealed a few times (thin shirt over an IWB holster that was fairly obvious just because I was lazy) and I think the OP handled the situation correctly (though going to a place like Whole Foods was probably not the best use of judgment - I try and verify that a private-property owner is cool with my bringing a firearm onto their property prior to doing it - no there wasn't a sign but Whole Foods and a lot of their clientèle are notoriously left-leaning on a lot of political issues including guns). If the employee was just the messenger, then there's no reason to punish them by making them put all your stuff back on the shelf by walking out without completing the purchase. [/QUOTE]
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