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<blockquote data-quote="Swingwing" data-source="post: 3582072" data-attributes="member: 4382"><p>They have stated very clearly what is to be considered the "frame" or serialized part, with illustrations. Basically I too read it as no change to the serialized part. This part of their proposal is for clarification only. Nothing insidious here, which is surprising. Will have to read it again.</p><p></p><p>The part of their proposal that does bother me is the change for FFL's about the 20 year retention. Currently 4473's are to be retained a minimum of 20 years, then they can be disposed of in the manner an FFL chooses. If an FFL goes out of business, his records are supposed to be turned over to the ATF. The proposal will require FFL's to retain records forever, then turn them in to ATF when they go out of business. There is also a catch for those with C&R FFL's. Currently C&R's keep a book of records for disposition of C&R type firearms. When they give up their license they can destroy their records. The proposal will require them to turn in their records. And it kind of implies something about 4473's for C&R FFL's. I need to read that section more thoroughly. It seems like that is a giant step toward registration.</p><p></p><p>In general all of us need to read the proposal more carefully, especially if you are going to submit a comment. Even some seasoned members seem to have gone off the rails with their comments. Some comments make us all look foolish.Don't take any of my comments to mean that I'm an ATF fanbois. I have no use for them (jack booted thugs). They do no service for "We the people".</p><p></p><p>I would attach the PDF file of their proposal if anyone wants it, but I don't know how.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Swingwing, post: 3582072, member: 4382"] They have stated very clearly what is to be considered the "frame" or serialized part, with illustrations. Basically I too read it as no change to the serialized part. This part of their proposal is for clarification only. Nothing insidious here, which is surprising. Will have to read it again. The part of their proposal that does bother me is the change for FFL's about the 20 year retention. Currently 4473's are to be retained a minimum of 20 years, then they can be disposed of in the manner an FFL chooses. If an FFL goes out of business, his records are supposed to be turned over to the ATF. The proposal will require FFL's to retain records forever, then turn them in to ATF when they go out of business. There is also a catch for those with C&R FFL's. Currently C&R's keep a book of records for disposition of C&R type firearms. When they give up their license they can destroy their records. The proposal will require them to turn in their records. And it kind of implies something about 4473's for C&R FFL's. I need to read that section more thoroughly. It seems like that is a giant step toward registration. In general all of us need to read the proposal more carefully, especially if you are going to submit a comment. Even some seasoned members seem to have gone off the rails with their comments. Some comments make us all look foolish.Don't take any of my comments to mean that I'm an ATF fanbois. I have no use for them (jack booted thugs). They do no service for "We the people". I would attach the PDF file of their proposal if anyone wants it, but I don't know how. [/QUOTE]
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