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Message: <blockquote data-quote="trekrok" data-source="post: 4247948" data-attributes="member: 6668">I agree with most of this. I try to minimize my time on 'real' roads for all the reasons above - hostility, inattentiveness and so on. And the fact that, like you say, whoever's at fault, I'll be the dead or broken one.  I have about 3 miles to get to the lake and the lake trails from my house.  About half of that is on a road that really only goes to the lake, so traffic on it should be for joy rides.  I don't like those miles, but I risk it because to do otherwise requires me to load up the bike and haul it to the lake, load unload etc.-  it's 15-20 minutes of driving instead of riding. So, I typically risk it and just ride.</blockquote>