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<blockquote data-quote="donner" data-source="post: 4209098" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>This is the kind of question that seems to come more from opinion than it does from logic.</p><p></p><p>like it or not, Trump was a polarizing figure for the left, so it's not exactly surprising there was a bigger push to get people registered.</p><p></p><p>In terms of <a href="https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/cost-of-election?cycle=2020&display=T&infl=N" target="_blank">election spending</a>, you can see that it was up $8 billion overall from 2016 to 2020 and up ~$3.4 billion for just the presidential race.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And according to this <a href="https://www.statista.com/chart/22967/overall-election-spending-by-cycle-and-party-affiliation/" target="_blank">chart</a>, the dems spent more for the presidential race.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]449544[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But strictly speaking, 400K additional voters per state isn't exactly a lot when you look at the relatively low turnout for people of voting age in most places. And yes, it would be high for some states, but we know it wouldn't be an equal distribution, i'm just illustrating how 20 million isn't that high of a number in a country our size. Between 2012 and 2020 how many people turned 18 and how many new voters registered who were of age, but not previously registered? Or how many people didn't vote in previous elections who might have returned to voting in 2020?</p><p></p><p>And after the 2016 surprise for Hillary, people might have made it a point to show up in 2020 who assumed they didn't need to in 2016. Or perhaps the lack of 3rd party candidates on the left affected the numbers some in 2020, too. Votes that were shifted away in 2016.</p><p></p><p>And some republican voters from 2016 might have defected. too.</p><p></p><p>But really, the total number of votes wouldn't tell the entire picture anyway, as more people voting in NY didn't really impact the electoral points in the same way that voters changing their minds from 2016 to 2020 did in places like PA, MI, AZ, GA, etc. Just as the left was surprised that some states flipped for Trump in 2016.</p><p></p><p>But again, just because you think he is a potato doesn't immediately equal fraud, as you seem to indicate above. Nor am i attempting to say there wasn't any fraud (i have said many times there most certainly was).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donner, post: 4209098, member: 277"] This is the kind of question that seems to come more from opinion than it does from logic. like it or not, Trump was a polarizing figure for the left, so it's not exactly surprising there was a bigger push to get people registered. In terms of [URL='https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/cost-of-election?cycle=2020&display=T&infl=N']election spending[/URL], you can see that it was up $8 billion overall from 2016 to 2020 and up ~$3.4 billion for just the presidential race. And according to this [URL='https://www.statista.com/chart/22967/overall-election-spending-by-cycle-and-party-affiliation/']chart[/URL], the dems spent more for the presidential race. [ATTACH type="full" alt="SCR-20240130-kihs.png"]449544[/ATTACH] But strictly speaking, 400K additional voters per state isn't exactly a lot when you look at the relatively low turnout for people of voting age in most places. And yes, it would be high for some states, but we know it wouldn't be an equal distribution, i'm just illustrating how 20 million isn't that high of a number in a country our size. Between 2012 and 2020 how many people turned 18 and how many new voters registered who were of age, but not previously registered? Or how many people didn't vote in previous elections who might have returned to voting in 2020? And after the 2016 surprise for Hillary, people might have made it a point to show up in 2020 who assumed they didn't need to in 2016. Or perhaps the lack of 3rd party candidates on the left affected the numbers some in 2020, too. Votes that were shifted away in 2016. And some republican voters from 2016 might have defected. too. But really, the total number of votes wouldn't tell the entire picture anyway, as more people voting in NY didn't really impact the electoral points in the same way that voters changing their minds from 2016 to 2020 did in places like PA, MI, AZ, GA, etc. Just as the left was surprised that some states flipped for Trump in 2016. But again, just because you think he is a potato doesn't immediately equal fraud, as you seem to indicate above. Nor am i attempting to say there wasn't any fraud (i have said many times there most certainly was). [/QUOTE]
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