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<blockquote data-quote="Bigdawg90" data-source="post: 3788778" data-attributes="member: 49831"><p>My experience with ARs is that they are like wine. There’s not much of a difference between a $10 bottle and a $50 bottle. To the average person there won’t be a difference between a $50 bottle and a $500 bottle. If you’re an average guy, buy a $10 bottle and be content with a good buzz. Lol</p><p></p><p>ARs are the same. Unless you’re the type of person who trains enough to feel the recoil impulse of a rifle or to notice the clarity difference in a piece of glass, bear creek and Daniel defense will be the same. I laughed my ass off once when this well to do Chiropractor tried to tell me my Vortex PST was better than my dad’s Razor. He just didn’t know the difference. He had never really seen light transmission enough through different scopes to be able to differentiate. He was absolutely stubborn about it though. He had an insanely expensive scope like a Mark 8 or something.</p><p></p><p>I know of guys who would be a lot more dangerous with a PSA gun and mbus irons than the guy who has never trained but bought a Daniel defense with a Razor.</p><p></p><p>I have one BCM built as a jack of all master of none. It would be my go to for anything from CQB to hunting and distance shots. Not the best at anything but can do most things well. Between the lights, optics, suppressor and all I’ve got well more than 4-5k into it. I built an almost exact clone out of cheap PSA and Bear Creek parts and Chinese optic clones. That thing gets beat to hell and the BCM sits clean and ready to go. Gets shot for practice maybe twice a year and taken out for some hunting trips. I stockpile PSA and Bear Creek for my network and family and friends.</p><p></p><p>Budget build list:</p><p>PSA blew lower - $50</p><p>PSA mid-length upper build kit with m lok rail - $410</p><p>Holosun 515 w/ lower 1/3 mount - $305</p><p>Streamlight HLX rifle kit - $110</p><p>BCM vertical grip - $25</p><p>Magpul QD MS1 sling - $50</p><p>5 gen2 moe pmags - $50</p><p>Cans of rattle can paint for an OD green tacticool look - $5</p><p></p><p>Total - $1000 gun you can run into the ground, pass to your friends let them have a turn and then put her away dirty.</p><p></p><p>I’ve never had one of my builds that shot worse than 2 moa at a hundred yards. Any decent AR manufacturer will make a good enough gun.</p><p></p><p>Dream Rifle:</p><p>Giessle super duty 11.5 in DDC - $1995</p><p>Vortex gen3 1-10 in a scalar works 1.93” mount - $2500</p><p>45 degree offset RMR in a Trex mount - $600</p><p>Magpul pro backups - $160</p><p>Surefire M600 with IR head and Unity tactical dual switch - $650</p><p>PEQ-15 -$1500</p><p>Surefire 5.56 socom 2 suppressor - $1100</p><p>BCM and B5 systems furniture - $125</p><p>Custom Magpul sling with paraclip rear attachment and QD front - $100</p><p></p><p>Total - Lots. I’m issued a Colt M4 for duty use. Pretty much same setup except for a Eotech exps 3-0 and no peq-15. It’s an amazing setup but the Colt is way over gassed. The recoil impulse results in less controlled groupings and a much less fun shooting experience. I shot a super duty and that gas system is awesome. </p><p></p><p>One day I want to play with an A5 extension upgrade but have just never had the opportunity to shoot one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bigdawg90, post: 3788778, member: 49831"] My experience with ARs is that they are like wine. There’s not much of a difference between a $10 bottle and a $50 bottle. To the average person there won’t be a difference between a $50 bottle and a $500 bottle. If you’re an average guy, buy a $10 bottle and be content with a good buzz. Lol ARs are the same. Unless you’re the type of person who trains enough to feel the recoil impulse of a rifle or to notice the clarity difference in a piece of glass, bear creek and Daniel defense will be the same. I laughed my ass off once when this well to do Chiropractor tried to tell me my Vortex PST was better than my dad’s Razor. He just didn’t know the difference. He had never really seen light transmission enough through different scopes to be able to differentiate. He was absolutely stubborn about it though. He had an insanely expensive scope like a Mark 8 or something. I know of guys who would be a lot more dangerous with a PSA gun and mbus irons than the guy who has never trained but bought a Daniel defense with a Razor. I have one BCM built as a jack of all master of none. It would be my go to for anything from CQB to hunting and distance shots. Not the best at anything but can do most things well. Between the lights, optics, suppressor and all I’ve got well more than 4-5k into it. I built an almost exact clone out of cheap PSA and Bear Creek parts and Chinese optic clones. That thing gets beat to hell and the BCM sits clean and ready to go. Gets shot for practice maybe twice a year and taken out for some hunting trips. I stockpile PSA and Bear Creek for my network and family and friends. Budget build list: PSA blew lower - $50 PSA mid-length upper build kit with m lok rail - $410 Holosun 515 w/ lower 1/3 mount - $305 Streamlight HLX rifle kit - $110 BCM vertical grip - $25 Magpul QD MS1 sling - $50 5 gen2 moe pmags - $50 Cans of rattle can paint for an OD green tacticool look - $5 Total - $1000 gun you can run into the ground, pass to your friends let them have a turn and then put her away dirty. I’ve never had one of my builds that shot worse than 2 moa at a hundred yards. Any decent AR manufacturer will make a good enough gun. Dream Rifle: Giessle super duty 11.5 in DDC - $1995 Vortex gen3 1-10 in a scalar works 1.93” mount - $2500 45 degree offset RMR in a Trex mount - $600 Magpul pro backups - $160 Surefire M600 with IR head and Unity tactical dual switch - $650 PEQ-15 -$1500 Surefire 5.56 socom 2 suppressor - $1100 BCM and B5 systems furniture - $125 Custom Magpul sling with paraclip rear attachment and QD front - $100 Total - Lots. I’m issued a Colt M4 for duty use. Pretty much same setup except for a Eotech exps 3-0 and no peq-15. It’s an amazing setup but the Colt is way over gassed. The recoil impulse results in less controlled groupings and a much less fun shooting experience. I shot a super duty and that gas system is awesome. One day I want to play with an A5 extension upgrade but have just never had the opportunity to shoot one. [/QUOTE]
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