California to register illegal aliens to vote – automatically

[SlugSlinger]

WASHINGTON – California will take the next step in blurring the lines between citizens and non-citizens beginning April Fool’s Day when the state complies with a court order to begin automatically registering to vote all those who are granted driver’s licenses.

The state has long provided driver’s licenses to all who simply claimed, without proof, that they were citizens of in the country legally. There were no checks made or documentation required.

But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote.

“We are very pleased that Californians will have easier access to voter registration,” said Jeremiah Levine, an attorney with Morrison Foerster who represented the voting-rights groups. “We are especially satisfied that changes will be made before California’s statewide and federal primary elections.”

The state complied with the order under a program dubbed the California New Motor Voter Act. Signed into law in October 2015, the new statute requires the DMV to forward records for all eligible applicants to the Secretary of State’s Office for registration unless those applicants elect not to register to vote.


The League of Women Voters and three other groups sued the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles and Secretary of State’s Office in May 2017, claiming the state burdens would-be voters by making them fill out the same information on two separate forms to register to vote.

According to the lawsuit filed last May, California ranks “a dismal 46th in the nation” in its rate of registered voters. More than 5.5 million eligible voters were unregistered as of February 2017, according to state data.

Other plaintiffs in the lawsuit include the ACCE Institute, California Common Cause and the National Council of La Raza.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/01/major-st...ns-to-vote-automatically/#bpur01bc0Czjjr82.99

 

[C_Hallbert]

WASHINGTON – California will take the next step in blurring the lines between citizens and non-citizens beginning April Fool’s Day when the state complies with a court order to begin automatically registering to vote all those who are granted driver’s licenses.

The state has long provided driver’s licenses to all who simply claimed, without proof, that they were citizens of in the country legally. There were no checks made or documentation required.

But beginning April 1 every person who gets a California driver’s license will be automatically entitled to vote.

“We are very pleased that Californians will have easier access to voter registration,” said Jeremiah Levine, an attorney with Morrison Foerster who represented the voting-rights groups. “We are especially satisfied that changes will be made before California’s statewide and federal primary elections.”

The state complied with the order under a program dubbed the California New Motor Voter Act. Signed into law in October 2015, the new statute requires the DMV to forward records for all eligible applicants to the Secretary of State’s Office for registration unless those applicants elect not to register to vote.


The League of Women Voters and three other groups sued the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles and Secretary of State’s Office in May 2017, claiming the state burdens would-be voters by making them fill out the same information on two separate forms to register to vote.

According to the lawsuit filed last May, California ranks “a dismal 46th in the nation” in its rate of registered voters. More than 5.5 million eligible voters were unregistered as of February 2017, according to state data.

Other plaintiffs in the lawsuit include the ACCE Institute, California Common Cause and the National Council of La Raza.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/01/major-st...ns-to-vote-automatically/#bpur01bc0Czjjr82.99

There is an urgent need for Federal Court Injunction to prohibit California from allowing illegals to vote in National Elections, as well as, a Class Action Law Suite against California by US Citizens for Usurping the Power and Will of Our People If and when California allows Non-citizens to vote in National Elections.


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[chuter]

Slippery slope in action. Ya think this might have been the plan all along?

 

[rawhide]

I thought this legislation was signed last year. Has it been tied up in court?

 

[Dave70968]

I thought this legislation was signed last year. Has it been tied up in court?

From the article: "...when the state complies with a court order.... Signed into law in October 2015...." There appears to have been another bill passed in 2017 amending the 2015 law (which set a deadline of 2020); for the text, see https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1407 . Note also the second paragraph of the Legislative Digest:

Existing law requires the Secretary of State and the Department of Motor Vehicles to establish the California New Motor Voter Program. Under the program, the Department of Motor Vehicles is required to provide to the Secretary of State specified information associated with each person who submits an application for a driver’s license or identification card. The person’s motor vehicle records then constitute a completed affidavit of registration and the person is registered to vote, unless the person affirmatively declines to register to vote during a transaction with the department, the department does not represent to the Secretary of State that the person attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, or the Secretary of State determines that the person is ineligible to vote.

Ergo, the DMV must represent to the SoS that the person met the requirements in the same way he would have if he'd filled out a registration card at the DMV (as has been implemented in federal law against all states since 1993).

There is an urgent need for Federal Court Injunction to prohibit California from allowing illegals to vote in National Elections, as well as, a Class Action Law Suite against California by US Citizens for Usurping the Power and Will of Our People If and when California allows Non-citizens to vote in National Elections.

1) See the California Constitution, Article II, Section 2: "A United States citizen 18 years of age and resident in this State may vote [emphasis added]." Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...e=CONS&division&title&part&chapter&article=II Nothing in there about "allowing illegals to vote" in any election, let alone national ones. See also particularly the bill in question, amending Section 2263, (b)(2)(d): "The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law [emphasis mine, color to really call your attention to it above anything else here]." This directly addresses your concern about illegals, and prohibits the DMV from registering anybody as a voter who can't prove his authorization to be in the US.

2) The people have no standing to file a suit, class-action or not. Numerous cases have held that individuals don't have standing on behalf of "all citizens." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law) for a general explanation, notably this passage:

Prohibition of generalized grievances: A plaintiff cannot sue if the injury is widely shared in an undifferentiated way with many people. For example, the general rule is that there is no federal taxpayer standing, as complaints about the spending of federal funds are too remote from the process of acquiring them. Such grievances are ordinarily more appropriately addressed in the representative branches.

See also the section at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)#Taxpayer_standing, which addresses an analogous situation (taxpayer standing vs. citizen or voter standing, but the principle is the same); it has links to some specific cases.

3) As to the practical effect of a suit, if California is willing to act in disregard to the law, do you really think an injunction is going to make a difference? I'm not aware of any provision in law that allows fed.gov to disregard the outcome of a state election for the House or the Senate, and there's no requirement for a Presidential election at all (see US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 1: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors..." [emphasis mine]); while the California legislature may have directed a public election with a winner-take-all outcome, that could easily be changed to outright selection by the legislature (as many states did in the beginning of our country).

4) And while we're on practicalities, consider the following:

• California has one of the lowest rates of eligible voter registration in the country.
• If people can't be bothered to fill out a registration card while they're already at the DMV, do you really think they're going to take the time and effort to go out and vote on Election Day?
• Electoral votes (for POTUS) are winner-take-all in California, and based on population, not registration numbers; even if 100% of the new registrations were to vote Democrat, it wouldn't change the POTUS outcome one whit.
• Votes for senators are on a statewide basis; given that California hasn't had a Republican senator in over a quarter-century, do you really expect these new votes to change the balance of the US Senate?
• Representatives' districts are based on population, not registration numbers; unless a bunch of these newly-registered voters were in Republican-stronghold districts, they're not going to change the balance of the US House, either.
• State elections? Screw 'em; the whole idea of independent states is to let them be the Great Experiment, to try different ideas amongst themselves. If California can't be an inspiration to the rest of us, then let it be a terrible warning by empirical example.

 

[Biggsly]

Every time I hear Cali, I want to build a wall.

 

[DRC458]

Every time I hear Cali, I want to build a wall.

You think we could get California to pay for it?

 

[MacFromOK]

Or a moat full of 'gators...

 

[Slim Deal]

From the article: "...when the state complies with a court order.... Signed into law in October 2015...." There appears to have been another bill passed in 2017 amending the 2015 law (which set a deadline of 2020); for the text, see https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1407 . Note also the second paragraph of the Legislative Digest: Ergo, the DMV must represent to the SoS that the person met the requirements in the same way he would have if he'd filled out a registration card at the DMV (as has been implemented in federal law against all states since 1993).


1) See the California Constitution, Article II, Section 2: "A United States citizen 18 years of age and resident in this State may vote [emphasis added]." Source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...e=CONS&division&title&part&chapter&article=II Nothing in there about "allowing illegals to vote" in any election, let alone national ones. See also particularly the bill in question, amending Section 2263, (b)(2)(d): "The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law [emphasis mine, color to really call your attention to it above anything else here]." This directly addresses your concern about illegals, and prohibits the DMV from registering anybody as a voter who can't prove his authorization to be in the US.

2) The people have no standing to file a suit, class-action or not. Numerous cases have held that individuals don't have standing on behalf of "all citizens." See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law) for a general explanation, notably this passage: See also the section at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_(law)#Taxpayer_standing, which addresses an analogous situation (taxpayer standing vs. citizen or voter standing, but the principle is the same); it has links to some specific cases.

3) As to the practical effect of a suit, if California is willing to act in disregard to the law, do you really think an injunction is going to make a difference? I'm not aware of any provision in law that allows fed.gov to disregard the outcome of a state election for the House or the Senate, and there's no requirement for a Presidential election at all (see US Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 1: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors..." [emphasis mine]); while the California legislature may have directed a public election with a winner-take-all outcome, that could easily be changed to outright selection by the legislature (as many states did in the beginning of our country).

4) And while we're on practicalities, consider the following:

• California has one of the lowest rates of eligible voter registration in the country.
• If people can't be bothered to fill out a registration card while they're already at the DMV, do you really think they're going to take the time and effort to go out and vote on Election Day?
• Electoral votes (for POTUS) are winner-take-all in California, and based on population, not registration numbers; even if 100% of the new registrations were to vote Democrat, it wouldn't change the POTUS outcome one whit.
• Votes for senators are on a statewide basis; given that California hasn't had a Republican senator in over a quarter-century, do you really expect these new votes to change the balance of the US Senate?
• Representatives' districts are based on population, not registration numbers; unless a bunch of these newly-registered voters were in Republican-stronghold districts, they're not going to change the balance of the US House, either.
• State elections? Screw 'em; the whole idea of independent states is to let them be the Great Experiment, to try different ideas amongst themselves. If California can't be an inspiration to the rest of us, then let it be a terrible warning by empirical example.

My answer is very quick and very short. We cannot allow illegal aliens to vote in the elections. What laws will be disregarded nest just because some idiot in Kalifornia wants to use their middle finger like the little illegal ***** photo. We have to take a stand at some point and enforce the law. We cannot allow the DNC and everyone associated with it to rule our country. I ask you to refresh your memory by looking at the Doc Holliday thread https://www.okshooters.com/threads/another-political-truism.254527

We have to stop this lawlessness at some point and somewhere.

 

[deerwhacker444]

Where's AG Sessions and why isn't he going after some people?