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<blockquote data-quote="GC7" data-source="post: 3850170" data-attributes="member: 2455"><p>Are we conflating reliability with "over engineered"? I might mean one thing, you might think another.</p><p></p><p>Honda and Toyota reliability, I would argue, are a function of conservative design principles and strong supplier selection criteria. Not sure if these are considered to be "over engineered" though.</p><p></p><p>(for example the Toyota #GR-FE engines are horribly inefficient by modern MPG standards but are well known for reliability and simple design and the company's insistence to keep using that engine in 2022 is conservative as it gets)</p><p></p><p>The auto makers can still be largely in the boat of "make cars as disposable appliances" and give them reliable powertrains, because some people rack up 40k-80k miles per year as travelling salesmen and trade in after 3 years. The cars will still be running by the time they are traded in, but the dash and door plastics, seat cushions, electronic controls, and outer fascias could all be worn down to junk.</p><p></p><p>Using the example above, there are people who insist that the only way for companies to "redeem themselves" is to make every part of the car last as long as the powertrain could theoretically last. This is the over-engineering that I'm saying will never happen. Modern "price point design" means everything is a compromise in some way or another.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GC7, post: 3850170, member: 2455"] Are we conflating reliability with "over engineered"? I might mean one thing, you might think another. Honda and Toyota reliability, I would argue, are a function of conservative design principles and strong supplier selection criteria. Not sure if these are considered to be "over engineered" though. (for example the Toyota #GR-FE engines are horribly inefficient by modern MPG standards but are well known for reliability and simple design and the company's insistence to keep using that engine in 2022 is conservative as it gets) The auto makers can still be largely in the boat of "make cars as disposable appliances" and give them reliable powertrains, because some people rack up 40k-80k miles per year as travelling salesmen and trade in after 3 years. The cars will still be running by the time they are traded in, but the dash and door plastics, seat cushions, electronic controls, and outer fascias could all be worn down to junk. Using the example above, there are people who insist that the only way for companies to "redeem themselves" is to make every part of the car last as long as the powertrain could theoretically last. This is the over-engineering that I'm saying will never happen. Modern "price point design" means everything is a compromise in some way or another. [/QUOTE]
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