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Message: <blockquote data-quote="emapples" data-source="post: 3851323" data-attributes="member: 11752">Well I have been mostly Toyota for 20 years.  I bought an Outback in 2018 I think it was , the year they had so many issues with the Harman Kardon head units (Mine went out first  6 months) they the did finally fix that problem.  But the dealership pissed me off something fierce when I left it there a week and a half for steering pulling to the right.  And after a week and a half I picked back up with no change ( was so pissedI sold it that day and went back to Toyota only cost be 1000 bucks for a car I owned a year.  But the reality is there are not many cars that can match the Outback total package of off road or inclement weather capabilities, fuel efficiency, and safety features.  The eye sight is by far the best system I have used from any manufacturer.  As an example I drove that 2018 from Tulsa to Cheyenne Wyoming November of 2018, and all the way through to Denver it maintained 39.7 MPG, had to stop to refuel in Denver and by the time I finished in Cheyenne it did drop to 37.5 (from an all wheel drive vehicle) that same week a Blizzard hit Cheyenne, I drove all over Cheyenne that week in 8 to 10 inches of snow and it was like having a snowmobile.  Drove all the way home through Kansas in the snow storm.  It is quite surefooted on snow and ice it‘s astounding (probably why thats’s all you see out west in the snow states is Subaru‘s everywhere.Because of that experience, Ih bought my wife a 2020 Limited XT, the turbo makes a big difference in drive ability but does effect fuel consumption.  I agree with the “we shall see”, I am not 100% convinced the Subaru will last 200K with little more that regular maintenance but we are going to see.  The weak point in my opinion is the CVT transmissions I am never really going to like them, but it would appear they are hear to stay.  And we have not had any issues with it other than it just being complicated.  It’s like being at the controls of a Starship with all the touchscreen crap and when I drive the damn thing it relentlessly bltches at me (for something looking away, or not using a blinker when I am all by myself making a leave change, something has to chirp me) It is like driving with a nag sometimes.  You basically can’t drive it unless you put your seatbelt on, not even 20 feet down the street LOL!   But when it comes to inclement weather it drives like it‘s on rails.</blockquote>

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