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<blockquote data-quote="BryanDP" data-source="post: 1226620" data-attributes="member: 1111"><p>Perhaps what I said was unclear to you (and others), but the point I mas attempting to make is absolutely not incorrect according to official written interaction I have from ABLE.</p><p></p><p>To simplify/clarify my point --</p><p></p><p>1. According to a letter I have from ABLE it is not possible in Oklahoma to have an establishment licensed as a bar and have people under 21 present ever.</p><p></p><p>2. According to this same letter it is also not possible to license only a portion of an establishment. Though the establishment may have a designated bar area (such as in a restaurant) the license is still for the establishment itself and not certain areas of it. An establishment is either a bar or not. It can't be part bar and part something else. It also can't "sometimes" be a bar and sometimes not. Designated areas have nothing to do with the establishment license type.</p><p></p><p>(OK...that wasn't much simpler, was it?)</p><p></p><p>From these bits of information that I have in writing "from the horses mouth" I deduced:</p><p></p><p>1. If you are in an establishment that allows people under 21 the establishment cannot possibly fit the legal description of a "bar."</p><p></p><p>2. If it can't possible fit the legal definition of a bar, it is not prohibited for concealed carry.</p><p></p><p>Steve is right, though he was just quoting the law. The problem is, it is seemingly impossible for someone to know the criteria that the law requires you to know about a business. I was simply trying to offer a litmus test that a regular person could use without having to see the books of the business or make a call to ABLE every time they want to know if they carry somewhere.</p><p></p><p>That said, it is certainly possible that you could be arrested and charged for carrying in the bar area of a restaurant. My opinion certainly means nothing to the arresting officer or the DA and I'm not paying for your defense if you get yourself in trouble.</p><p></p><p>Bryan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryanDP, post: 1226620, member: 1111"] Perhaps what I said was unclear to you (and others), but the point I mas attempting to make is absolutely not incorrect according to official written interaction I have from ABLE. To simplify/clarify my point -- 1. According to a letter I have from ABLE it is not possible in Oklahoma to have an establishment licensed as a bar and have people under 21 present ever. 2. According to this same letter it is also not possible to license only a portion of an establishment. Though the establishment may have a designated bar area (such as in a restaurant) the license is still for the establishment itself and not certain areas of it. An establishment is either a bar or not. It can't be part bar and part something else. It also can't "sometimes" be a bar and sometimes not. Designated areas have nothing to do with the establishment license type. (OK...that wasn't much simpler, was it?) From these bits of information that I have in writing "from the horses mouth" I deduced: 1. If you are in an establishment that allows people under 21 the establishment cannot possibly fit the legal description of a "bar." 2. If it can't possible fit the legal definition of a bar, it is not prohibited for concealed carry. Steve is right, though he was just quoting the law. The problem is, it is seemingly impossible for someone to know the criteria that the law requires you to know about a business. I was simply trying to offer a litmus test that a regular person could use without having to see the books of the business or make a call to ABLE every time they want to know if they carry somewhere. That said, it is certainly possible that you could be arrested and charged for carrying in the bar area of a restaurant. My opinion certainly means nothing to the arresting officer or the DA and I'm not paying for your defense if you get yourself in trouble. Bryan [/QUOTE]
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