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<blockquote data-quote="mbok1947" data-source="post: 2911669" data-attributes="member: 41052"><p>Having been on scene for a number of officer involved shootings (and many more situations where force was deployed at varying levels) this looks like a borderline case to me. The suspect was clearly acting in irrational and unpredictable ways, and the discovery of PCP in his vehicle points strongly to that as the agent involved. People on angel dust are frequently violent and given to major outbursts where baton strikes and other actions make little to no impression. I have seen up to six officers swarm a dust-crazed suspect and still have real trouble getting him cuffed and controlled.</p><p></p><p>Something caused the female officer to fire one shot and the male officer beside her to trigger his taser at virtually the same moment. That points very strongly to an action the suspect took when shielded from the camera as he was beside his driver's door. The officer said he was reaching into the truck window (which others claim was closed) so I suppose we will have to await the crime scene photos at trial that will settle that point. If it was open there is real and reasonable grounds to support the decision to shoot, as he could easily have been reaching for a weapon.</p><p></p><p>The bottom line is that a number of elements (irrational behavior, repeated refusals to stop, repeated hand gestures to the pockets, probable drug intoxication and to be frank the size and bulk of the suspect in comparison to the female officer) were present that would support a decision to deploy force. Was it the right decision? I guess the jury will decide. The one thing we know for sure is that if the suspect had simply obeyed the officer's initial commands to assume a non-threatening posture and be checked for weapons, then answered questions about why he had abandoned his vehicle on the centerline of a busy street, he would still be walking around today and there would be no controversy. It was the suspect and not the officer whose actions ultimately led to a fatal confrontation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mbok1947, post: 2911669, member: 41052"] Having been on scene for a number of officer involved shootings (and many more situations where force was deployed at varying levels) this looks like a borderline case to me. The suspect was clearly acting in irrational and unpredictable ways, and the discovery of PCP in his vehicle points strongly to that as the agent involved. People on angel dust are frequently violent and given to major outbursts where baton strikes and other actions make little to no impression. I have seen up to six officers swarm a dust-crazed suspect and still have real trouble getting him cuffed and controlled. Something caused the female officer to fire one shot and the male officer beside her to trigger his taser at virtually the same moment. That points very strongly to an action the suspect took when shielded from the camera as he was beside his driver's door. The officer said he was reaching into the truck window (which others claim was closed) so I suppose we will have to await the crime scene photos at trial that will settle that point. If it was open there is real and reasonable grounds to support the decision to shoot, as he could easily have been reaching for a weapon. The bottom line is that a number of elements (irrational behavior, repeated refusals to stop, repeated hand gestures to the pockets, probable drug intoxication and to be frank the size and bulk of the suspect in comparison to the female officer) were present that would support a decision to deploy force. Was it the right decision? I guess the jury will decide. The one thing we know for sure is that if the suspect had simply obeyed the officer's initial commands to assume a non-threatening posture and be checked for weapons, then answered questions about why he had abandoned his vehicle on the centerline of a busy street, he would still be walking around today and there would be no controversy. It was the suspect and not the officer whose actions ultimately led to a fatal confrontation. [/QUOTE]
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