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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bruno2" data-source="post: 1305265" data-attributes="member: 13962">Well, we all saw what making a bad product for many yrs will get you. A govt bail out like GM got. I remember seeing on the news that Toyota out sold GM. I remember thinking Gm is on their way out. Then about 5 yrs later they broke the news to the world. We cant stay afloat any longer. I have owned all of the big three when it came to trucks. I have a construction business that requires me to have 5 trucks on the road. The only ones that require new motors and new tranny's have been the chevies. I am about to put a tranny in a Ford F-250 , but , it has 270,000 miles on it and has had a trailer hooked to it most of its life. The Gm's never towed anything except for maybe a 6oolb cement mixer twice a month. The Gm's are the easiest to work on and the parts are the most prevelant. That shows you that you will need to work on them and by parts often. So they want to make it as easy as possible. I drive a 2006 Ram 2500 with the cummins . Its 4x4 and 4dr. I have found bolts on this truck that werent tightened up from the factory. I could tell b/c they werent tightened down all the way and then painted. I had terrible warranty service from all the dealers in Tulsa. Thats right all of them . I took it to every last one of them . The service guys at the one on 46th and memorial refused to handle the warranty work at one point b/c it rolled 35k as I pulled in their driveway. Really crappy of them IMHO. I did have a 99 1/2 ton 4x4 Dodge that ran until the wheels fell off. It had about 150K on it and I worked it like a 1 ton for 5 yrs. The Fords have the heaviest suspension out of all of them. Ford was the first Company to make a truck. Its hard to beat the ones that have been doing it the longest. I bought a Chevy Silverado 3-4 yrs ago. The Silverado isnt a package anymore its its own truck now . This was apparently the replacement for the El Camino. There was nothing truck about it. It was like a car with a p/u bed on it. As far as the diesel motors go. The cummins is a little bit superior to the rest. The Duramax is probably the next in line. This motor that Gm got from Isuzu was one of the driving forces behind Gm even being able to recover from their financial problems. Had they not adopted it when they did it would have been curtains. I remember back in the early 90's going to live stock shows and driving through the parking lots at the fair grounds. There were probably 600-700 3/4-1 ton trucks out there with trailers hooked to them . This was before the D-max . You could count the GM's on 2 fingers maybe 3. The 7.3 PSD and the 5.9 Cummins were just eating the 454's lunch in sales.  The trucks are about all that the Americans have going for them and now its the heavy trucks b/c Toyota and Nissan have really great 1/2 tons now. The gov is really fighhting them hard on producing a small turbo diesel for a 3/4 ton and 1 ton. This would probably cause us to lose 1 million jobs if they sucessfully build one and get it on the lots. As far as cars go Nobody to speak of are buying American. Why would we? You can buy a Honda ,Toyota, or a Nissan that will run reliably , get great fuel mileage and not break down. Not tomention hold some resale also. I have been hosed so bad on all of the American cars and vans that I bought for my wife that I feel like the big 3 owe me some money. My wife drives a sequoia now and it has been in the shop twice. Once for a battery and once for a gas cap. It has 100k on it right now. Its still books for $30k . Keep in mind that this thing has a lot of gadgets and luxury items on it , so there is plenty of things that can break. They just dont. Here is something else that a lot of people dont understand about American vehicles. GM and Dodge use a lot of the same subcontractors for parts. There isnt much difference between the 2. Gm really pushed hard advertising the "Allison transmission" as selling point for their trucks. Guess what? Allison has been making most of the automatic transmissions in American cars and trucks since the 50's. So they dont have the lock up on them like they would want you think. My neighbor is a mechanic and he works out of his driveway. GM keeps the food on his table and there is plenty of it. I am looking over there right now . He has a S-10 Blazer , a pontiac Grand Am and a Duramax torn apart right now as we speak.I am not so much brand particular as I am good product particular. I will drive anything. I like Ford , Dodge , Nissan , Honda , Toyota , Isuzu, KIA, Hyundai, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, VW, Mercury, Chrysler, Infinity, Lexus, Acura, SAAB, Audi.</blockquote>

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