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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gillman7" data-source="post: 1321295" data-attributes="member: 2784">I didn't see any lesions or abuse on the slides. As to the buthooks and shocking them, in the scale of the size of them, how much pain do you think is really there?Seriously, people don't have issues with shock collars for dogs, and cattle prods, because the level is adjustable, and the sheer size diminishes the effect, and to Rick's point, they become ineffective. As to the ropes and training aids, it actually looks more humane than using a choke collar on dogs. And seriously folks, do you really train an animal by talking to it? I can see it now, "Sit puppy, sit" and the dog look at you like you are an idiot and then pee on the floor. If you don't position the dog to let it know what you want, you are not going to get the result that you want.</blockquote>