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<blockquote data-quote="JD8" data-source="post: 2874780" data-attributes="member: 24">Oklahoma refused the Medicaid expansion because they understood, and rightly so, that they would be left with the bill after a few years and Oklahoma&#039;s demographic would break the bank.&nbsp; By all accounts, the progression of the ACA has shown this to be true.You haven&#039;t posted &quot;hard data&quot; you&#039;ve posted the equivalent to coulda, shoulda, woulda via superficial and in some cases, delusional math.&nbsp; Again, the same kind of B.S. the democrats pushed upon the public before the ACA. The point I&#039;m making about medicare is that it is one closer examples of &quot;single payer&quot; in the U.S. and it&#039;s riddled with significant costs and fraud.... because again.... the bureaucracy can&#039;t keep up.&nbsp; This is after an individual pays into it all of his life, then has to pay: Part B premiums, any sort of medigap/supplement to fill in the coverage, then they have to pay part D coverage.&nbsp; Of which doesn&#039;t even cover the full cost of the drugs. Of course we could spend several pages talking about the VA next?&nbsp; How&#039;s the VA worked out for Veterans?&nbsp; Vermont&#039;s single payer sure worked out well eh?No matter how many articles you post, the real world shows that single payer in the U.S. is a fantasy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JD8, post: 2874780, member: 24"] Oklahoma refused the Medicaid expansion because they understood, and rightly so, that they would be left with the bill after a few years and Oklahoma's demographic would break the bank. By all accounts, the progression of the ACA has shown this to be true. You haven't posted "hard data" you've posted the equivalent to coulda, shoulda, woulda via superficial and in some cases, delusional math. Again, the same kind of B.S. the democrats pushed upon the public before the ACA. The point I'm making about medicare is that it is one closer examples of "single payer" in the U.S. and it's riddled with significant costs and fraud.... because again.... the bureaucracy can't keep up. This is after an individual pays into it all of his life, then has to pay: Part B premiums, any sort of medigap/supplement to fill in the coverage, then they have to pay part D coverage. Of which doesn't even cover the full cost of the drugs. Of course we could spend several pages talking about the VA next? How's the VA worked out for Veterans? Vermont's single payer sure worked out well eh? No matter how many articles you post, the real world shows that single payer in the U.S. is a fantasy. [/QUOTE]

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