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<blockquote data-quote="rcnich" data-source="post: 689922" data-attributes="member: 4193"><p>Truckman said CCW in bars and taverns ought to be allowed "as long as the person is not intoxicated over the legal limit."</p><p></p><p>THAT'S what I have a big problem with.</p><p></p><p>Possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol is:</p><p>1. A violation of OK Title 21 Sec. 1289.9</p><p>2. NOT responsible behavior for any gun owner, much less one with a CCW</p><p>3. Asking for trouble</p><p>4. The worst idea I've heard in a long time.</p><p></p><p>I don't have an issue with CCW in taverns, or public places per se.</p><p>My issue is with carrying a firearm while consuming alcohol. And that's what my subsequent comments primarily addressed.</p><p></p><p>Soulman, please don't lump me in with the Brady bunch. Nothing I said had anything to do with limiting what kind of guns people can own. (I own most of those you listed.) </p><p></p><p>You ask "How many CC-holders drink to the point of getting drunk?"</p><p>I don't know. Do you know that precise number? </p><p></p><p>Most CCW holders that I know seem to be typical, everyday people -- except they take responsibility for their own protection. </p><p>I suppose they get drunk about as much as other typical, everyday people. But when they carry their weapon, Oklahoma law demands from them a higher standard of responsibility. Being responsible may just mean NO alcohol for as long as that handgun is within easy reach. </p><p></p><p>Bierhunter, you say "Just because someone's in a bar, doesn't mean he's there to get drunk. And if someone does get drunk, what about that heavy weapon on wheels he's going to drive home? Not allowing him to carry a gun in the bar isn't going to stop him from killing someone on the road."</p><p></p><p>So then, are you saying it should be okay to go into a bar with your concealed weapon as long as you "drink responsibly?" What part of OK Title 21 Sec. 1289.9 makes that lawful?</p><p></p><p>And since "Not allowing him to carry a gun in the bar isn't going to stop him from killing someone on the road," should we also do away with DUI laws as well, since they apparently don't prevent drunk driving deaths?</p><p></p><p>What bothers me about this discussion is how easily some folks slide between </p><p>"I should be able to carry my weapon anywhere... </p><p>and... </p><p>"I should be able to consume alcohol while I'm armed."</p><p></p><p>I don't have an issue with the former. It's the latter that worries me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rcnich, post: 689922, member: 4193"] Truckman said CCW in bars and taverns ought to be allowed "as long as the person is not intoxicated over the legal limit." THAT'S what I have a big problem with. Possession of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol is: 1. A violation of OK Title 21 Sec. 1289.9 2. NOT responsible behavior for any gun owner, much less one with a CCW 3. Asking for trouble 4. The worst idea I've heard in a long time. I don't have an issue with CCW in taverns, or public places per se. My issue is with carrying a firearm while consuming alcohol. And that's what my subsequent comments primarily addressed. Soulman, please don't lump me in with the Brady bunch. Nothing I said had anything to do with limiting what kind of guns people can own. (I own most of those you listed.) You ask "How many CC-holders drink to the point of getting drunk?" I don't know. Do you know that precise number? Most CCW holders that I know seem to be typical, everyday people -- except they take responsibility for their own protection. I suppose they get drunk about as much as other typical, everyday people. But when they carry their weapon, Oklahoma law demands from them a higher standard of responsibility. Being responsible may just mean NO alcohol for as long as that handgun is within easy reach. Bierhunter, you say "Just because someone's in a bar, doesn't mean he's there to get drunk. And if someone does get drunk, what about that heavy weapon on wheels he's going to drive home? Not allowing him to carry a gun in the bar isn't going to stop him from killing someone on the road." So then, are you saying it should be okay to go into a bar with your concealed weapon as long as you "drink responsibly?" What part of OK Title 21 Sec. 1289.9 makes that lawful? And since "Not allowing him to carry a gun in the bar isn't going to stop him from killing someone on the road," should we also do away with DUI laws as well, since they apparently don't prevent drunk driving deaths? What bothers me about this discussion is how easily some folks slide between "I should be able to carry my weapon anywhere... and... "I should be able to consume alcohol while I'm armed." I don't have an issue with the former. It's the latter that worries me. [/QUOTE]
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